Post-Game Grades: The Pacers Are as Good as JD & The Straight Shot


Phil Jackson has changed the entire culture of the New York Knicks in just one game. They are now winners. Phil’s very presence has made everyone better.

Or maybe the Pacers are in full on slump mode right now.

It is hard to put the right words on it other than they haven’t looked like a team in a long time. The defense had been holding teams down in the 90-point range for most of the season, but now they’ve allowed 102.9 points per 100 possessions while the offensive rating is 101.3. Is it lack of effort? Did all the personnel changes ruin chemistry?

I don’t know as far as the defense goes, but on offense there is too much dribbling and not enough penetration. Indiana has settled for jumpers. Tonight for a short time they fed Roy Hibbert the ball in near the basket, and he ate up the Knicks defense. But too often the Pacers look like they are resigned to playing 1-on-5 basketball.

The Good – For the Pacers it was Roy Hibbert. Indiana was able to rely on him for points in the second half, and this is the first game in a long time Hibbert looked anything like an All-Star. But for the game itself it was Carmelo Anthony and his 34 points.

The Bad – That stupid, stupid, stupid pass by Lance Stephenson late in the fourth quarter. The Pacers had George Hill wide open in the corner and Lance was being Lance. But this time it was a turnover at the worst time possible. The Eighth Grader has been sent back to the seventh grade. Paul George wasn’t great either.

MVP – JD & The Straight Shot. Ask free agents for a review of the CD.

LVP – Paul George was the only player in the starting five with a negative plus/minus. He’s forcing shots and settling for jumpers.

X Factor – Despite my sarcasm about Phil Jackson, it does feel like the Knicks have a little more confidence with the the 13-time champion coming in. I don’t think we’ll have any idea what Phil can bring to the organization for a few years, but I’m sure all of the Knicks knew they had a chance to show off and prove they can contribute to the Knicks rebuilding. The fact New York is streaking right now helps as well as they are playing with a confidence we hasn’t seen since the playoffs last season.

Indiana Pacers 86 FinalRecap | Box Score 92 New York Knicks
David West, PF 36 MIN | 4-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | +3

He didn’t play bad, but the image in my mind is him yelling when a call doesn’t go his way. Just frustrating when that’s your take away. At least his shooting was decent unlike…

Paul George, SF 36 MIN | 4-17 FG | 7-8 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 17 PTS | -5

Dude… just. 4 of 17? You can’t have as many points as shots taken, especially when Carmelo Anthony had 34 points. Only 5 of those shots were in the paint (and he missed two shots at the rim) because he’s settling for jump shots or shooting nine 3-pointers. The Struggle is real.

Roy Hibbert, C 30 MIN | 8-10 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 20 PTS | 0

GOOD NEWS, INDIANA: Missing area man and Pacers employee was found in New York City as he went off for 20 points. Considering he’d been missing for the last month, this is one of the silver linings in the loss.

George Hill, PG 40 MIN | 3-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 7 PTS | +4

Quietly had a decent night, but Indiana needed more than his one 3-pointer tonight.

Lance Stephenson, SG 37 MIN | 8-16 FG | 3-6 FT | 9 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 21 PTS | +1

Had a wonderful night and then threw it away with one foolish, stupid, unneeded no-look pass in the final minutes. When you throw a stupid pass like that in a critical moment, you go from getting a B to an F out of principle.

Lavoy Allen, PF 4 MIN | 0-0 FG | 1-2 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 1 PTS | 0

The bench played tonight and had a total of 13 points. Allen only played 4 minutes so can’t knock him, unlike…

Luis Scola, PF 12 MIN | 1-2 FG | 2-4 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 4 PTS | -9

I know he was in New York. That’s about it. I miss the productive Scola we saw earlier in the year. Now he’s just there. He exists. That’s all I can say.

Evan Turner, SF 17 MIN | 1-5 FG | 1-1 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 3 PTS | -13

Bad defense cost a few points and did nothing offensively.

Chris Copeland, SF 7 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | +9

Missed a pair or corner 3-pointers. Copeland played decent defense so don’t want to bury him.

Ian Mahinmi, C 14 MIN | 1-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 3 PTS | -9

Five rebounds isn’t a bad thing.

Frank Vogel

We saw a bit of Jersey Frank, but he’s got to do something to get Indiana out of this funk.

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  • 15points126seconds

    is anyone else annoyed by the ads everywhere on this new site? so much garbage to scroll through, just to find the comments section….

    • 15points126seconds

      anyway, i think the Lance grade was needlessly harsh. yeah he had a bad turnover, but he did so many positive things for us tonight, he was aggressive and creative all game. that was our first turnover in like 17 min i think doug collins said? we already know about good and bad lance, and good lance showed up for 36/37 minutes. the real F belongs to the always-complaining, always-settling-for-jumpers Paul George of late. Its sad when friends text me asking if he was really considered the 3rd best player in the league just earlier this season…

      Bench played poorly, true, but I didnt realize how few minutes Vogel played them. interesting decision on his part. but Is it too early to say I’m disappointed in Evan Turner? we knew he would suck on Defense, but he seems lost on Offense, even against a NYK team he had 32 against earlier this year. just a complete negative on the team right now. i don’t necessarily agree with Bird’s method of calling out the team publicly in the paper, but there was wisdom in what he was saying. Maybe Vogel is too soft on the players, and someone (DWest?) needs to hold them accountable

      • Realist

        I think Turner is just another good player set to become a less than good player for us – a standard function of the Vogel bench.

        It seems like the only time we’re going to stagger the reserves is when foul trouble forces us to. Vogel is hitching our championship-aspirations-wagon to the starting five, like he always has.

      • Ian

        Turner had the rep as a bad defensive player, and so far, the Pacers have been one of the the worst defense teams in the NBA when he’s on the floor, you saw him get embarrassed several times last night. If he’s not scoring at a really high level he’s a huge liability.

  • Realist

    The new site sucks. Looks like TMZ or something now.

    What’s the latest on giving us the forums we’re dying for?

  • Derek Cooper

    Duck Dynasty > Bird Dynasty. C’mon mr bird :) why can’t vogel get his ducks in a row. …a properly staggered row. We got offensive talent and no offense. That’s a Fact Jack! :)

  • Ian

    This was an awful game, but this was also one of those ‘collective shooting slump’ games, where pretty much everyone missed open shot after open shot. We need to be outcome independent when looking at the offense. The Pacers were getting a lot of open shots, they were just missing them. PG missed about 4 wide open 3s, Copeland 2, Hill a couple. Lance as well but he’s less comfortable from the elbow 3 than the corner 3.

    Turner needs to get it into his head that the Pacers don’t help on D. He routinely gives up big shots every game because he’s needlessly helping and leaving his man open.

    I think the biggest problem is Scola right now. The Pacers rely on him for points off the bench, and if he’s not doing it, he’s too slow footed to guard athletic 4s. Even though ‘melo hit a couple shots over Cope you can’t blame him, Anthony was on and those were hard shots. I feel like it is really time to start giving Scola’s minutes to Copeland in many situations.

  • John Ringo

    At least when the Pacers lose, Miami has had the common decency to lose their game, as well.

  • Adam Stout

    All I see after the Good/Bad/MVP etc. text are pictures of the players, no grades or anything. Is this a Firefox problem or a site issue?

    • Jared Wade

      Should be fixed now, Adam. Had a techno-glitch.