Post-Game Grades: Pacers Lose Fourth Straight with a Poor Outing in Dallas


The Good – It was the worst of times. It was the worst of times. The Pacers are in a full-on, uncontrolled tail spin right now and we saw how that worked out for Goose in Top Gun. There was a time when “Pacers Gonna Pace” was a thing people liked to say on Twitter when Indiana locked it down on defense and went on a big run. But at this point, it just feels like a punch line.

The Bad – Most of the first half and then the final three minutes. Indiana started out the game getting shellacked before mounting a nice little comeback to take the lead. Particularly given their great close of the half and a wonderful start to the third quarter (9-0 run), it looked like they were righting the ship. Nope. The bench came in the game, and Dallas went on a big run to totally erase all the ground Indiana had made up. The starters held their own better, but the Mavericks stepped on their throats late to convincingly win a game that just minutes earlier looked like it would have a great finish.

MVP – Monta Ellis. The former-gunner in his B.C. days (Before Carlisle) didn’t finish with a great shooting line, but it was him pressing the action and drawing fouls in the third quarter that turned the tide of the game back in Dallas’ favor. Then, summoning all his reptilian cold-bloodedness, Monta put on his executioner’s mask to score 8 points — two big-time shots and 4 free throws — in 90 seconds late in the fourth to end Indiana’s night.

LVP – David West played like trash.

X Factor – Devin Harris. He scored 20 points on just 9 shots off the bench to go along with 5 assists and 4 steals. The biggest play of the game came with just over four minutes left; Monta stole a ball that sent Harris off the to races to convert a 3-point play at the rim. This extended the Mavericks lead to 5, which gave Dallas enough breathing room until Ellis slammed the door shut two minutes later.

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Indiana Pacers 94 Final
Recap | Box Score
105 Dallas Mavericks
David West, PF 33 MIN | 2-9 FG | 4-6 FT | 7 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 8 PTS | -3This wasn’t good. Wasn’t good at all, guy.
Paul George, SF 31 MIN | 8-14 FG | 9-9 FT | 11 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 27 PTS | -8There was definitely some positive mid-range and “take-it-to-the-cup” work to applaud. Some bad, too, though.
Roy Hibbert, C 37 MIN | 6-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 4 TO | 14 PTS | -14At this point, 14 points on 9 shots feels like Hibbert singlehandedly beating the Canadians for a gold medal in hockey, so we’ll grade him nicely (on a Roy curve).
George Hill, PG 38 MIN | 7-16 FG | 4-6 FT | 5 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 20 PTS | +2Was big in the 3rd quarter in general and hit a few big 3s when Indiana badly needed someone to help stem the tide. But also closed out very poorly on a few big Devin Harris 3s that seconds earlier that helped them fall into the hole from which he helped them dig out of. So … much like with the grammar in the previous sentence … I don’t know what to think.
Lance Stephenson, SG 36 MIN | 8-10 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 6 TO | 21 PTS | -3Tough to say much bad about his night. As efficient as it gets.
Luis Scola, PF 15 MIN | 0-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 1 PTS | -8Coffee is for closers and the bench sucked.
Evan Turner, SF 25 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -9Coffee is for closers and the bench sucked.
Ian Mahinmi, C 11 MIN | 0-0 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 1 PTS | +1Coffee is for closers and the bench sucked.
Donald Sloan, PG 10 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -13Coffee is for closers and the bench sucked.
Rasual Butler, SG 4 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 0 PTS | -2Coffee is for closers and the bench sucked.
Frank Vogel
I’ve had it with this dump. We got no food, we got no jobs, OUR PETS HEADS ARE FALLING OFF.

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  • Realist

    Bad decision by Frank to bench PG in the 3rd when he picked up his 4th foul. I know there was a lot of time left and that it’s standard to do that, but we had all the momentum and PG had scored all 9 in that run. It was 55-50 at that point, then 57-58 all of a sudden and we never led again.

    And yeah, our bench sucks. Sometimes I wonder why we persist with the concept of a second unit. Does anybody else think this may be majorly flawed? Why can’t we stagger the starters/reserves, or a lot more than we currently do?

    Turnovers too, obviously. So gross. Lance had 6. Don’t turnovers count against efficiency?

    • 15points126seconds

      staggering is coming, inevitably. just my opinion, but i think it puts a greater drain on our starters and breaks apart our best lineups earlier than wanted but when the bench is sucking it up like they are now, what choice does Frank have?

      • Realist

        It’s amazing though, how all these players who have been on our bench at some stage, all seem to be far more productive for any other team.

        • 15points126seconds

          i agree completely, and have to wonder- is this a coaching thing? is frank just not putting these guys in positions to succeed? seems like rooks or vets play better when they go elsewhere

          • Derek Cooper

            On the plus side maybe this will help some of our benchers have better trade value come summer haha. Gotta wonder what birds thinking about this._ I remember last year he publicly said we should stagger more….but then he also tries to respect franks position _as I’ve heard him make comments about how its franks job to decide who plays….

      • Derek Cooper

        If he’d just stagger them right he could unlock a lot of scoring potential on this team that goes untapped night after night….

    • Philip D

      I think Vogel should play Butler more often. He’s the only person on the bench that can shoot.

  • Derek Cooper

    Hey I don’t mind Turners 1-3 shooting__ he had 3 assists and 0 turnovers that’s good_1 rebound tho? He can do a lot better on that._____now the pacers overall seemed to do a lot better on shot selection and moving the ball better_ yea alotta turnovers but hey I like that a lot better and think the team has a better chance of growing in the right direction if they are at least trying to move the ball. And they looked for hibbert_ I think if they keep getting him the ball his to’s will lesson and he’ll help our offence.______oh and dallas has the spread offence going on_ which is inherintly advantageous_ plus good decisionmakers moving the ball and they were knocking down shots. Hey not a lot you can do except rebound better when they do miss and be more efficient on offence yourself. Still mr vogel for some reason doesn’t use copeland(at the 4 or 5 spot) to stretch out our offence……is cope really that bad on defence? Maybe idk…

  • 15points126seconds

    indiana’s bench is cursed… look at resurgence of DJ in Chicago, Plumlee and Green in Phoenix, Pendergraph in San Antonio. Even Danny’s numbers are up on a /36min basis (gets half the minutes though). Turner, Scola, Mahinmi, CJ they’re not performing like we expected. Its the Curse of Danny Granger

    • Ian Cullen

      A lot of those guys are playing in different roles than they were in Indiana. Green seems to play better when he’s able to run and gun and have the ball in his hands. When he was in Indiana his role was more of “don’t speed the game up too much because it screws up our defensive tempo, so just come off screens and try to shoot like your somehow Reggie Miller.”

      Also, for Pendegraph and Plumlee, they were asked to be 4th and 5th big men in Indiana. Neither were asked to do much.

      As for DJ. Well, i don’t know? He was absolutely terrible in Indy. I want to say, though, that necessity is the source of his success. Someone had to to play PG in Chicago-which plays in the East, remember. So that necessity paired with a lot of easy match ups against opposing PG’s that actually play defense are probably helping him.

      • 15points126seconds

        i actually haven’t been able to watch much non-Pacers games, so I appreciate the comment explaining role changes. But I do think there’s something more to it than that- Plumlee was buried so low on the bench (&demoted to Dleague) but is a MIP candidate now, did vogel not see the potential there? Although Augustin is a complete anomaly… i mean he had plenty of minutes to run the second unit offense in Indy against bad East teams and looked shitty. And Toronto gave up on him as well before he rejuvenated his career in Chicago. I gotta wonder if thats the Thibs influence, chicago doesn’t have better offensive or defensive players than we do.

    • Special K

      I was wondering the same thing after the Charlotte debacle. Is it that the guys don’t fit the system? It seems unlikely, given how many people have cycled through that bench. Could it be how Vogel uses guys?

  • Philip Tarrant

    From what I saw, the refs had a pretty big hand in this game. I’m not sure why they felt the need to call the game so closely and did an all-around piss-poor job of maintaining consistency. However, the Pacers did an even worse job of maintaining consistency, especially after PG picked up a ticky-tack 4th foul that was really the turning point in the game. Of course, if the Pacers didn’t fail to start until midway through the second, then this might have been a much different game.

    As for the grades, I don’t know how you could possibly give Lance an A- and PG only a B. George was everywhere and was quite efficient before having to hoist some late shots. Add to that that PG24 had 1 TO to Lance’s SIX. Granted, it was about as efficient as you can be when you have a 6/3 asst/TO ratio, but I wouldn’t rate him above PG.

  • Chris Baker

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed the odd trend of current bench players under performing and former bench players that sucked with us thriving elsewhere. The schedule softens up again, with Boston, Philly twice, Detroit and the Knicks coming up in the next 5 games. The boys need to take advantage with another 5-game winning streak, or at least 4-1, because the schedule gets brutal again after that. They close with Miami twice, Chicago twice, OKC, San Antone, Washington and Toronto.

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  • Jack Wright

    u aint lookin so good these days Vogel

  • Special K

    Four points from the bench?! FOUR?!

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