Post-Game Grades: Pacers Don't Lose to Wizards

Good job not losing to the Wizards. Its always nice to get a win on the road, so kudos. But again. Wizards. Don’t come looking here for a lollipop for holding on to win a game late that should have been a 30-point margin. If not for a long stretch of futility when DC got hot late in the third, going on an 18-2 run, there would have been no need for David West to put the whole team on his back. Again. In crunch time. When everyone else on offense — save for Roy Hibbert — continued to be harmless at best and downright destructive at worst.

George Hill and Sam Young, who had some good moments, threw away two amateur-looking cross-court passes to keep the Wizards’ hopes alive. I will fully admit that Shaun Livingston, and Kevin Seraphin to a lesser degree, made a few nice plays in the third to organically cut into the Pacers’ lead. But that happens and it was no excuse for the teamwide meltdown, led by the bench. They went fetal and let Washington nearly get close enough to win its first game of the year.

West and Hibbert were both great for most of the game. Just look at their stats. And Roy made some excellent passes early while both bigs protected the paint. Hibbert seemed to have some of the Wizards scared to even enter. So, long-term, that’s probably the takeaway from this game: Roy Hibbert has played one full game in which was not only not a disaster — but actually looked like an All-Star.

Then again … just look at the lines of Hill and Paul George. Really discouraging stuff. Each threw up what looked like a punt at the rim on open three-point looks late. PG was again hesitant and sloppy on most of his attempts to create with the ball. Really, aside from some nice energy plays from Young, not much to be happy about from the perimeter. Gerald Green played well overall. But as a collective … So many turnovers. So many fouls. So little execution.

Helluva a first half, at times (if you ignore the turnovers and all the fouls), and a win is a win, I guess.

Here is how each guy played individually tonight. Agree? Disagree? Express your thoughts below in the comments or yell at me (@8pts9secs) or Tim (@TimDonahue8p9s) on Twitter.

David West, PF 37 MIN | 10-14 FG | 10-10 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 30 PTSPimp slapped the world with the hand of Vulcan.
Paul George, SF 24 MIN | 2-7 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 6 PTSWhat’s the opposite of what I wrote about David West? Figure it out and apply it here. This is getting really worrisome. They need to start running some real plays for him rather than relying on him to create stuff out of nothing. Right now, I’m not sure he’s up for that.
Roy Hibbert, C 33 MIN | 8-10 FG | 4-5 FT | 12 REB | 3 AST | 20 PTSThe guy was really, really good on both ends — the passing, the rim protection, the efficient makes. But this Schuhman tweet was the best: RT @johnschuhmann: Sucks for the Wiz that tonight was the night Roy Hibbert made his 2012-13 debut.
George Hill, PG 36 MIN | 2-11 FG | 8-8 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 12 PTSTwo of the FTs were intentional and another was for a technical. Take those away and you mainly just have his second straight horrific shooting night. 4-for-20 in his last 69 minutes, including 2-for-12 from three.
Lance Stephenson, SG 16 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-1 FT | 3 REB | 4 AST | 2 PTSAnother game where he had little impact in few minutes, although this fortunately had more to do with playing time than bad playing. He looked good early but mysteriously didn’t get burn in the second half.

Tyler Hansbrough, PF 11 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS

Probably the game he has had the smallest influence on this season.

Sam Young, SF 35 MIN | 4-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS

Still makes me cringe at times. That late turnover … yeesh. But he hustled back and prevented the damage and made a tip in not long after that came when nobody but David West looked alive. If you want the positives he can bring — which seem to be stuff that nobody else on the team can give — I guess you have to live with the uglier stuff.

Gerald Green, SF 17 MIN | 4-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS

Just the type of stuff they need from him.

Ian Mahinmi, C 15 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS

I dunno.

D.J. Augustin, PG 16 MIN | 1-5 FG | 2-3 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 4 PTS

Do know. This isn’t going well.

Tags: Game Recap

  • NLP

    Its sad we actually needed West and Roy to shoot 18-of-24 from the field and 14-of-15 from the line to beat the Wiz without Nene and Wall, the win is nice but that is sad overall and amazing with those two shooting that well we didn’t even top 50% from the field or break 100 points.

    We now have 5 wins 2 are vs the Wizards and then we needed 2 OT vs Kings who blow and then West had to go off int he 4th to beat the Raps and then we rolled Dallas. Not an impressive resume at all but we have been on the road a ton. We get another break playing N.O. then its time to play a couple big boy teams which will be interesting. But one thing for sure If West or Roy even as bad as he’s been get hurts we’re stroked!

    Mahinmi and Augustin out bench and its not even funny. Then playing a terrible two man game leads to nothing but bad news. Our bench is never going to be worth a damn until we get Tyler in the offense. He entered with 5:31 to go in the first quarter already in the bonus vs a team he got to the line 12 times against last week and the only time he touched the ball was when Green dumped it off to him with 4 seconds left 18 feet out.

    On that play he he got an offensive foul elbowing Livingston on his forced attempt to beat the clock, as result Livingston got mad and picked up a T and that was our only FT in the final 5 and a half of the quarter despite being in the bonus the whole time. Then he got a 3 second violation after having yet another post up ignored by his teammates on virtually every favorable post.

    He then watches the DJ and Ian clown show lead to a 13-0 run in his brief 2nd half run watching his +4 turn into a -7 before PG finally passes him the ball and he ends the run on his only FG attempt of the last two games he didn’t have to get himself.

    In a game with 54 fouls called and 60 FT and Tyler gets zero FTa its clear how poorly the bench is playing. Everyone knows Tyler is my favorite player but this was just stupid basketball for as bad as our bench is.

    Our starters are going to get us to a certain level and then its on the bench unit to put us over the top and the way they are using them is a losing play and Tyler getting 11:14 of burn last on the team behind Ian’s 14:49 is going to be bad news on most night. Losing PT and not getting any shots for him and Lance isn’t a good way to reward players for bringing it every night. Just happy West played like a absolute stud and didn’t gas out in the extra time, will be interesting to see how he bounces back.

    • Joe Betz

      Totally agree that TH in the post is a must. He gets fouled–always. He is, I think, top ten in FT attempts right now. Concerning the bench though, once Granger is back and a consistent 1-2 unit is established, I think things will improve. Young will push Green and Stephenson for minutes, and that will make them better moving forward.

      • NLP

        How ever things pan out after Danny gets back we have to get the bench into set role and use each players strengths. Last year it never felt like players were given a role then when the playoffs came and the PT got scaled back it was a total cluster**** with guys stepping on each others toes and getting in each others way.

        Many teams with good benches don’t have great overall players they just use the guys they do have to their max and makes them and the whole unit look ten times better.

  • Rex

    We had 20 turnovers this game that is what kept the Wizards in this game and we also had a ton of foul trouble

  • Realist

    Collison is so much better than Augustin it makes me sick. Remind me again why we turfed our backup point guard and bench spark who was gonna be busting his ass in a contract year while we were still paying him on a rookie deal?

    • Petey’s Head

      I’d also take AJ Price over DJ. DJ is the worst player in the NBA.

      • Jack Wright

        i’d take rick carlisle as our backup pg over DJ

        • Joe Betz

          DJA had a nice drive and finish, but besides that, nothing special. He is in a contract year too, though, and all signs point to him playing better–he is not putting up numbers you would expect based on his career averages. I like his 3pt shot a lot more than DC’s, even though it hasn’t fallen so far this year, and by the time the final third of the season comes, I think all will be fine.

          • Jack Wright

            i remember DC’s 3-pointers actually fell in a couple times, at least

          • Joe Betz

            True story. Here’s to DJA not going 0 for from three all the time (clink)

    • lil-bang

      I don’t think anyone in the central office for the Pacers would say they wanted DJ over DC, I think they just did DC a favor by letting him go and letting him get a shot somewhere else during a contract season to build his resume instead of him wasting his talent on our bench. It also gives Hill some breathing room, fans would be crying to start DC if he were still here. But this team starts with defense and we know DC was a liability for that. Also have you noticed in all these down to the wire games we are atleast getting shots off that have a chance instead of DC fumbling it away. We not getting great plays (which I think Vogel needs to work on) but we are atleast getting plays off this year. DC is a good baller, but Hill has the ability to take this team to another level, even though he hasnt done well the last couple games.

  • Varu Chand

    hard to believe Livingston was available and we didn’t pick him up.If we don’t intend to play Ben Hansbrough then Fisher is still available folks

  • Jack Wright

    stop turning the ball over like little 5th grade boys!!!

    • Jack Wright


  • Petey’s Head

    I’d rather have Paul George make aggressive turnovers rather than tentative turnovers

  • Joe Betz

    David West is the difference between a 1 win Pacer team and 5 win Pacer team and will be the reason the Pacers will have a chance to win the central. #the boss

    • lil-bang

      Lets hope the Pacers can sign him back next year, I would hope they could afford him.

  • Jeffrey Thompson

    Frank Vogel has to be on the hotseat because even with that win the Pacers are still nowhere near meeting expectations. This cannot continue–Vogel needs to go.

    • lil-bang

      Wow…Pacers are 67-49 under Frank Vogel, ease on thre breaks Jeffrey. He isn’t Tom Thibodeau, but come on. He has only 3 returning bench players from last year, only one that actually played. The leading scorer for the past 4-5 years is out for the team is out for 3 months(atleast). Relax man. Chances of the Pacers winning the division are still good. Only an 8th of the way through the season. His players just need to make shots.

      • Jack Wright

        Lol 3 returning bench players?? whoopdee-doo. they were supposed to make our team better, anyway. not worse.

        • lil-bang

          It takes time for for these guys to get use to each other, look at the Lakers, Look at the Heat a couple years ago, the knicks are just now getting use to each other. Our bench players are only get around 12 minutes at game too, compared to the 30 that starters do, so its going to take a while to see this guys actually play together. Plus having to put one of them in the starting rotation.

          I will be the first to admit this team has been a dissappointment so far, but this is how a small market team works: it has a bunch of players that each have to do their part to win to beat good opponents, and when the leading scorer goes out this team won’t look very good, definately with a complete turnover in the bench.

          Looks at the bulls this year compared to last. They could survive roses injury last year because it was the same team. this year they don’t look as good because that is a turned over team like the pacers. They are doing better than the Pacers, but thats because our starters are shooting careers lows. Not Vogel’s fault Hibbert couldn’t put it in the basket from foot away(excluding last night).

  • dwaink

    i wish coach would start sitting starters about 7 mins in, Hill first-DJ spells him for about 5 mins then Tyler for West for about 6 mins then Ian for Roy for about 8 mins then Hill back in then Young for George and so on all through the game, so no one gets cold or wore out and there is never more than 3 bench players in the game. If someone developes the hot hand then leave them in a little longer.
    then there is no huge drop off when the full bench comes in and the bench players get to know what to expect and have at least two starters in there so they can develope some real chemistry. sometimes i think DJ’s problem is that there is no good player to get an assist from when he is in there.
    one of the coaches has to take Tyler and Roy aside an teach them how to really hold he ball(when it is being slapped at-heck let DWest teach them) because every time they get the ball down low the D starts slapping at the ball(which they are holding at waist level or lower). if Roy could just hold the ball at chest level half the D in the league couldn’t get a swipe at it, and Tyler is a train wreck in the paint with D collapseing on him. just getting these 2 guys to a functional level in the paint would add 15 points a game to the offense….glad they won at least

  • Aaron Huston

    What happened to Lance. This I must know. He couldn’t possibly have played worse than most of the bench. Don’t get that one.

    Vogel should be on the hot seat. Of course Walsh is lazy and “will remain patient” with this team. Teams got better. Teams got healthier. Pacers remained the same. Offense remains the same (which is terrible). And people wonder why this team isn’t performing like last year. Vogel is getting exposed now. I like the guy, but he’s just not ready to coach on the NBA level yet. Especially a team that has talent like the Pacers.

    Walsh, please have SVG or Sloan on speed dial!