Post-Game Grades: Pacers Pound Bobcats Heading Into the All Star Break

Paul George is really, really good.

Charlotte is really, really bad.

Frank Vogel says that Tyler is a starting power forward in the NBA. For at least one night, he was right.

After allowing 29 points in the first 12 minutes, the Indy defense knuckled down and held the Bobkitties to 48 over the next 36. This one was easy, and now Pacer fans get to see PaulStar weekend.

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Here is how each guy played individually tonight. Agree? Disagree? Express your thoughts below in the comments or yell at me (@8pts9secs) or Tim (@TimDonahue8p9s) on Twitter.

Tyler Hansbrough, PF 23 MIN | 8-13 FG | 3-6 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 19 PTS | +12Tyler hadn’t gotten a start since Game 5 of the Chicago series in 2011. He made the most of it, tying his season high with 19 points.
Paul George, SF 39 MIN | 8-17 FG | 6-7 FT | 12 REB | 12 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 23 PTS | +28Paul Star. Notched his first career triple double – the Pacers’ third of the season – and made it look easy. Best player in the building tonight.
Roy Hibbert, C 18 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 3 BLK | 2 TO | 10 PTS | +2Plagued with foul trouble, but an otherwise solid performance.
George Hill, PG 32 MIN | 4-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | +24Wasn’t a major presence, but his three in the fourth broke Charlotte’s back.
Lance Stephenson, SG 26 MIN | 2-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | +9Really, really pressed tonight. Vogel took the blame for Lance’s 2-for-12 performance, but not sure I buy it. Lance did not look comfortable out there.

Miles Plumlee, PF 4 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +1Garbage time
Jeff Pendergraph, PF 25 MIN | 5-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 3 TO | 10 PTS | +12Rushed a couple plays, but provided strong minutes for the second game in a row.
Sam Young, SF 4 MIN | 0-1 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | +1Garbage time
Gerald Green, SF 9 MIN | 1-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -4Apparently, he’s back in the rotation. Not exactly demonstrating why.
Ian Mahinmi, C 26 MIN | 5-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | +21Very nice fill-in for the foul plagued Roy Hibbert. Stuffing the stat sheet.
Ben Hansbrough, PG 4 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +1Garbage Time
D.J. Augustin, PG 12 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 3 PTS | -1Blah
Orlando Johnson, SG 19 MIN | 2-5 FG | 2-4 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | +14Thought he forced things in extended minutes, but spent his 16 minutes better than the guy taken 34 places ahead of him by Charlotte this June did.

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  • Realist

    Rest up, boys.

  • http://twitter.com/wdeeit Will

    NLP, you happy? Me too. Hans played some inspired ball. 19 pts, 10 rbs is pretty solid in 23 mins.

    • Realist

      Of course signing David West was a massive positive. But you can’t help but wonder what might’ve happened with Tyler if he continued at the starting 4 spot after the Chicago series (2010-11). He was even ballin’ out of control in the 2011-12 pre-season from memory.

    • djmcba

      When we play teams with small frontcourts (such as Biyombo and Mullens) Tyler really thrives – he was great tonight.

      Am I crazy or does Pendergraph look like he could be a quality rotation player?

      Lastly, not sure if you all read Grantland (Bill Simmons ESPN Sports/Culture website) but it had a nice article on D.West today: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/50843/the-quietly-efficient-offense-of-david-west

      • lil-bang

        Pretty sure Tyler always gets to play against Charlotte, and always seems to do pretty well. NLP can tell me if I’m wrong.
        Did Vogel just build up Han’s credit so the Pacers can trade him to get Redick??? Vogel likes to talk up his players, and Tyler can be a starter in the NBA, but Not for a contending team. Obviousley for Charlotte or maybe the Magic??? I love Hans, coming off the bench, and really wish the Pacers could keep him, but you need a guy like West to go far, so Tyler will never start unless we don’t get West back or someone to replace him. Plus it is proven the Pacers need a shooter to come off the bench time and time again. Add what Pendergraph has done lately. The Pacers have to give something up to get something in return, Tyler is the best piece. I think the Pacers need a Redick(not sure what Korver’s contract is but he would even be better)…If Orlando Johnson would have shown more spot up 3 point shooting I don’t think we would need a guy like Redick. Johnson has improved, but he isn’t enough. How many times late in a game do you see the Pacers team struggling to score and you know just one if one of those wideopen 3 point looks would go in, the game would be over…a guy like Redick I think is the answer.

        • http://twitter.com/wdeeit Will

          Going to repond to all of this in one post.

          Realist: I feel ya. DWest is no doubt a huge asset for us. One win against inept Charlotte shouldn’t and won’t change that. But I really do wonder how Hans would/would not have done in that spot. He had some killer games and showed ability, but once teams figure out your game, they exploit your weaknesses.

          djm: That point leads me to why we need to see more games from Pendergraph. He looks really solid. But once teams “get a book” on his game, they may be able to take away his strong suits. I definitely think he could be a solid rotational player. Maybe around a 10-13 PER with a larger sample size. Btw thanks for that Grantland read. Just goes to show the Pacers are better offensively than people give them credit for. The player efficiency is incredible.

          lil-bang:Truthfully, I thought the EXACT same thing. But Vogel does love to give his players confidence in that manner, yet it seemed oddly specific. I still don’t think they’re going to make a move anytime soon. The team seems to have wonderful chemistry and is 3rd in the East. Definitely not a reason to make some kind of trade. Besides, the way this team is structured, they need that high energy guy to keep up that intensity. Also, Danny should be coming back soon. Management is going to want to see how the team plays once the lineup is shuffled.

          Interesting notes in favor of a trade: I believe Pritchard drafted/signed Pendergraph back in ’09. I could be wrong. But that might give preference to Pendegraph. Both of their contracts are expiring soon, so we’ll see who they choose to keep around!

          Shifting gears…Ultimately I agree with Tim Donahue, Lance seemed to be pressing. This is why I was afraid of his eventual move to the second unit when Granger become fully integrated. Lance is a great player when he is surrounded by others who can make defenses stay honest. But he has adapted and thrived so far this year, so I expect much of the same.

          32-21. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it (yet)! The dude abides.

          • NLP

            Jeff is doing an amazing job of hitting some unbelievably wide open shots, but the more he hits them the less likely they are going to keep giving him those type of looks with nobody on him especially if its with the second unit who other teams don’t really have to worry about guys going off on them.

            Jeff’s main weakness right now is he will fully bite on every single pump fake no matter the player and is foul prone, he can’t be allowed on the floor in the playoffs until he cleans that up as the Heat will eat him alive doing that. I honestly see Danny getting all the back up PF time in the playoffs so if they can move Tyler to get a real 3 point threat it would be the right move to make.

          • Jack Wright

            Danny at backup PF? I don’t see it.

          • NLP

            He played there some last year and was very effective.

          • Derek Cooper

            Ya dannys 6’8”+has some muscle__would give up some size_ against some pfs that post up it could be a defensive weakness maybe_but some like reggie evans don’t really post up hardly__on offence when dannys out at the 3pt line the defending pf has to come out away from the lane to make sure dannys not open for a 3 thus making more space in the interior for someone to post up or drive inside. That’s the trade off.

        • NLP

          He does own the Cats in his career picking 12.4 a game vs Charlotte but has played more against them than any other team in his career with 249 MP resulting in a PER36 of 21.5 points and 8.8 boards.

        • Derek Cooper

          Hmm well….u know what happened last 2 times we went after guys that put up some nice stats on poor teams…um yep that would be gerald green and d.j. augustine…..so u never know maybe 3rd times a charm…I’ll be so disappointed if we get redick…admittedly there is a real chance that could be helpful but my strong opinion is i’d rather go after someone else. I wrote a big explanation near the bottom of this comments section…

      • NLP

        Byron Mullens is 7 foot 275

        • djmcba

          With a 12 inch vertical averaging half a block a game.

          I was referring to teams that lack size and mostly an interior defensive presence. Mullens, Biyombo, Haywood, and Adriend were the (not so) bigs last night – Bobcats aren’t exactly a defensive powerhouse.

          Man you can’t even let it go when I give Tyler a compliment…

          • NLP

            Do you even watch the NBA?

            Mullens had a 28.5 no step vertical in
            his draft workout. You should go look at some of his big dunks that are
            on youtube and come back and tell me if you still think he has a 12
            inch vertical.

            Also he isn’t the center so who honestly cares how
            many blocks a game he has, since its not his job. Is it a big deal to
            you Dirk doesn’t block shots as a 7 foot stretch PF too? Biyombo is the
            center and he’s 11th in the league in blocks at just 26 MP a game after
            finishing 8th as a rookie and the Cats as a team are 6th in the NBA in
            blocks!

            LOL it was a failed backhanded compliment calling them
            undersized despite the starting PF being one of the largest in the
            league at 7 foot 275 and the smaller center who rated 5th last year and
            now 8th this season in Block Percentage.

          • djmcba

            Really strange that the Bobcats official site as well as ESPN list Mullens as a center and Biyambo as a forward. Would think someone who spends their life googling NBA facts would know that.

            You probably also know:
            Charlotte allows the most points per game in the NBA.
            Charlotte has the worst defensive efficiency rating in the league.
            Charlotte allows the most baskets at the rim in the NBA.

            Maybe Mullens should start caring about blocking shots, since that is apparently the only reason he doesn’t protect the rim. I didn’t get a chance to see his vertical last night since he did as much to alter shots at the rim as I did on my couch curling 12oz’s. Adrien backed up the four spot (a little three as well), he is 6’7”. Also, the reason that Biyambo spent a fair amount of time on Roy when Mullens was on the court – maybe leading to your confusion thinking that Biyambo only plays the 5 – is because Roy struggles against smaller more athletic defenders (this is the type of knowledge you get from watching the NBA, not reading pre-draft stats and watching youtube videos).

            It wasn’t a backhanded compliment by any means – only you, of course, took it that way – it’s not a bad thing to thrive against smaller frontcourts with the direction of the NBA.

            As for the cherry on top, Charlotte allows the most points to opposing power forwards in the NBA…That’s three times now son, let’s try not to do this again.

          • NLP

            Like I said do you not watch the NBA?

            This is how unbelievably dumb you are, Go back to ESPN where they say those positions and hit the splits tab. They break down starts by position and Mullens is 30 for 30 as a forward and Biyombo is 34 of 35 at center and that lone start at F was his first start of the year and of his 76 starts 74 have been as center.

            So do the Cats play him at center for 94.4% of his career starts just because Roy has trouble with smaller athletic defenders?

            The Bobcats have used 11 different starting line ups this year with 15 being the max for one group and Mullens and Biyombo have been in it at the same time just 13 times and just 8 of those game’s have they had their real starting 5 together so those stats don’t have much meaning when they have been a patchwork team for most of the season.

          • djmcba

            Biyambo is listed as a forward in 9/10 profiles statistical databases etc. but i do trust ESPN stats to say the least…big frontcourt with that 6’9” center?

            And again, you are totally right, the Bobcats are really good defensively. Line-up changes have rendered their season long statistics meaningless…smh

            I have league pass so I get plenty of NBA action, I don’t claim to watch Bobcats games though- good for you.

          • NLP

            I could care less what position they are listed at on paper, I care where they actually play and Mullens is a PF on the floor and Biyombo is a center when they start.

            Who gives a damn how tall Biyombo is if he’s one of the better shot blockers in the league? He erased them at the 5th best percentage last year and is 8th this year he got us for 4 of them last night while grabbing 16 boards.

            To put into perspective how patchwork they are, Ian has our sixth most MP at 886. The Bobcats 9th most MP is 999 and we played one more game than they have. Lance has 1472 MP as our lowest starter only Walker has more for them and the player in second place hasn’t even started a game this year

            Biyombo and Mullens are 1st and 3rd in Defensive win shares on their team and have played just 2338 of 12605 MP overall and a major portion of that not on the floor together. So if you want to blame them for the Bobcats issues overall statistically that’s fine, but its almost as comical as you not understanding where the guys play or thinking a 94.4 starting percentage for Biyombo at center is because of smaller defenders success on Roy.

          • djmcba

            They are the worst defensive team in the league- enjoyable watching you attempt to dismiss that fact. I think that rates as slightly more absurd than you saying I blamed Charlotte’s defensive woes solely on Mullens/Biyambo…where did I say that??
            There is also a difference between starting a position a nd logging your minutes there, especially with a versatile tweener like Biyambo.
            How many Bobcats games you watched this year?

          • NLP

            They are a bad team defensibly but its not all on those two guys like you make it out to be since they played 18.5% of the MP. That would be like me saying the Pacers are only good because of our bench who’s played nearly double the amount those two have. And if you aren’t blaming those two guys why are even on here bitching about it?

          • djmcba

            I never made it out to be that way and the second half of that literally makes zero sense. You’re done son. When you are defending the Bobcats ability to protect the rim even you should know its time to pack it in.

            Enjoy watching all those Bobcats games you NBA afficianado.

            Also, “defensively” not “defensibly.”
            So long until next waste of time…

          • NLP

            So if you weren’t knocking those guys why exactly are you even on here bitching? What the hell does the other 14 guys who have played for them this year have anything with the bigs who were on the floor for the first 17 points of Tyler’s game last night?

          • djmcba

            Haha I wasn’t on here bitching – I believe I complimented Tyler and you took offense to it on his behalf as you felt it to be backhanded. And I am knocking those guys, I am knocking their whole team defensively. I am however not saying the entirety of their defensive woes are because of two players. Also, you make it out to sound like Mullens/Biyambo etc. haven’t played all year. Biyambo has played in 48 games and Mullens 31. I think they factor into their team being the worst defensive team in the leage (although Biyambo is a budding Ibaka like weakside help defender/ shot blocker).

          • NLP

            No you said they had a small front court which was wrong as their PF is a seven foot 275 pound player and their center has been one of the best shot blockers in the league in his first two years.

            Those two have played 18.5% of the total MP combined thanks to not starting early and injury, so they play a very small part in the issues, To put that into some perspective PG by himself sees 15.7% of our floor time, and our 8th-15th bench players have played 20.5%of the MP this year.

          • Jack Wright

            The Pacer commentators were calling Mullens the center before the game. That’s all I know. who gives a f*ck

          • djmcba

            concur.

          • NLP

            They must have misspoke because when the game started and they listed the starting fives on the screen he was listed as the PF with Biyombo the center, and once Biyombo won the tip and the game took place it was clear as day the positions they played.

          • NLP
          • djmcba

            I thought you could care less what position they played on paper???

            I could also send you an equally long list of the inverse, which is a waste of time bc that is not the point, as much as you may try to make it be.

          • NLP

            I’m just trying to get you to stop making an ass out of yourself to the other people here. It couldn’t be any more clear to what position these dudes play but for some reason you refuse to accept it.

            ESPN lists the starts by position, so does Yahoo, so does stats LLC what else do you need?

      • wesmont

        Great post,I wondered the same thing about Pendergraph.And the article was an education to say the least.

    • NLP

      Yes, I’m always happy in games where he’s used right and he gets the ball in the paint, picks up offensive rebounds, gets fouled and frustrates the other team. From a personal standpoint I would have liked to see Frank let Tyler pad his stats like PG did rather than just get 23:25 and sit the final sixteen and a half of the game.

  • Andrew Sparks

    I agree with most grades, however: I give more credit to Johnson than what was given. Yes there were garbage minutes, but it demanded that Charlotte spread the D to accommodate when it wasnt the end of the 4th. I also thought that when the headline read West was going to be a scratch, it would have been beneficial to go with 2 BIG bigs in Hibbert/Mahinmi. What better time to play with a potential playoff line up then today? That being said, Hasnbrough played well except for a few plays when he forgot that he has no ball handling skills. Here is hoping that Danny comes back healthy as horse.

    • lil-bang

      Johnson has shown alot more under the basket activity than I expected, plus I think 2 of the buckets he made last night were when the Pacers offense seemed to be doing nothing and he drove the rack and made a bucket right before the shot clock went off. I would have given him a B.

  • dwaink

    since when does tyler shoot a higher % from the floor than the free throw line? had to give up the tv for Idol and didn’t get to see the end of this game. what happened to Green to get a tech? Green looks to me to be someone that has had his game beaten out of him and told to stand at the 3 point line and not move or the electric cattle prod will zap him again…coach V is killing this guys game, i know u all think he sux but the way he is being played is what sux. guess he will go be a 20 point a game scoring star else where, not like the Pacers could use someone like that….

    • Jack Wright

      pffffff hahahahahahaha

  • Realist

    Speaking of Paul Star….

    If Melo is actually injured for the ASG…

    East bench:

    F/C Chris Bosh
    C Tyson Chandler
    F Luol Deng
    F Paul George
    G Jrue Holiday
    G Kyrie Irving
    C Brook Lopez
    C Joakim Noah

    All star starter, anyone?

    • Realist

      Bosh 8 time all star, Deng 2 time. All others on debut.

      I think Kyrie deserves to comes in for Rondo and if Melo misses… Bosh I guess? Erik Spoelstra’s call after all. Puke.

  • lil-bang

    Vogel should have done this in the Toronto game. Let the bench gets some minutes and see what they could have done to save the starters some minutes and some legs. Will be interesting to see what Vogel does with the Pendergraph/ Hans situation the rest of the season…I’m going to guess one is traded IF a trade occurs.

  • Guest

    Isn’t this the Pacers’ fourth triple-double of the season? David West, George Hill and Roy Hibbert have all had TDs this season.

    • disqus_3BmwG0RnzH

      George Hill had his wiped away by the league. They snatched back one of his assists, thus erasing his triple-double.

  • Jack Wright

    I seriously doubt Vogel was trying to add trade value to Hansbrough by talking him up after the game. He likes to give his guys confidence is all. And some credit where credit is (sort of) due.

  • Derek Cooper

    My opinion: we don’t need redick. Earlier this yr I believe someone from the pacers front office was quoted saying of the pacers offence problems- ”..we are’nt getting anything easy..” –3pt shooters are streaky–when they’re hot its crazy efficient…but if they’re on a cold streak its gone. I’d be thrilled if we’d go for trevor ariza (we’ve got a shooter in danny comin back) with ariza we could have the following line up options LS-PG-TA-DG-IM…or…LS-PG-TA-JP(pendergraph)-IM. The one with pendergraph especially would have great defence+ rebounding+ mobility+ athleticism to attack the rim in the open court. Ariza has all the tools to thrive with this type of unit–the efficient offence produced by this creates layups freethrows and rebound putback dunks by JP+IM.. this is ‘easy’ buckets that are efficient+ reliable-dependable. This gives our second unit an identity that they can succeed with. I understand there’s some benifits to having a 40% 3shooter around like a little spacing benift but that pales in comparison to the realistic potential of the unit I just described.—also I hear redick is supposed to be a good defender- but a 6’4” white wing defender vs. A 6’8” athletic good wing defender(ariza)…? (I’m white too so I’m allowed to ‘critisize’ redicks whiteness..) arizas a great wing rebounder- redick 2 boards per 32 mins…also in case grangers knee acts back up id prefer to have ariza.

    • Derek Cooper

      If we can get ariza that’s another solid option to take up some wing mins allowing LS to cover the mins at backup point guard. LS is so vastly superior to augustine. The only 2 concerns with LS at point are 1) he gets a bit outa control occaisionally 2) not quick enough to defend some superquick little guys. There’s one easy solution that addresses both these issues– always have paul george at the 2guard while lance is at point- if there’s a superquick point paul (as showcased in the playoffs against the bulls 2yrs ago) can guard him and lance has size+ability to defend the 2–also if lance gets a little outta control just let paul handle the ball for a bit. Having granger+ariza as wing options allows mins for this arrangement . This also allow mins for granger to spend some time at the powerforward spot. Augustine is reliably not good defensively and occaisionally a plus on offence sometimes a negative. Not looking confident+composed with the pressure of playing on a good team in the regular season–just imagine the playoffs. Also augustine is very consistantly very tiny.

      • Derek Cooper

        That’s why I say trade with wizards. –augustine 3.5 mil exp.+ handsbrough 3 mil exp.-rfa + gerald green 3.5mil 2 more seasons after this one+ maybe a draft pick? Maybe o.j.? TRADE FOR__ariza 7.5 ish mil 1 more yr left after this one+ vesley–who as far as I know isn’t any good but is paid about 3.5 mil a yr but expires a year earlier than greens which gives us more money the summer we’ll be needing to resign both paul and lance. +maybe a.j.price 0.5mil exp. For injury insurance. Ariza is overpaid but he’s more helpful to us than hans+Augustine for the same money. Likely summer after next yr we could resign him for less. From the wizards perspective they’ll have an extra 7.5 mil available for free agents this summer from the expiring contracts of DA+TH and I believe could match offers on tyler as an rfa if they wanted to. Plus maybe a draft pick or o.j. who looks promising ..vesley+arizas contracts both end the summer we need to resign lance+paul which is perfect…

        • Derek Cooper

          Also for those who don’t remember ariza was a key role player on a laker championship team several years ago-made some key plays in crunch time in playoff games (that’s how he ended up overpaid..) ariza has a reputation as a very good wing defender and a smart playoff tested veteren but he’s just 27 yrs old. He can dribble a lot better than granger. He’s athletic in the open court moreso than granger- granger in the open court has a bad habit of driving toward the basket bumping into a defender and flailing his arms to beg for a cheap bailout call– the refs this year are supposed to be not giving the offence those kind of calls because of a rule change- which is good for the game. My point here is that any unit with granger at the wing has a major weakness if they’re trying to runfastbreak. A unit with granger at the 4 spot is ok for fastbreaking id have danny looking for transition 3s to keep his defender away fromthe paint and have everyone else attack the basket. Ya despite all that negative stuff I like having danny I’m just saying how he is and how things fit with him…

          • Jack Wright

            just a random idea that won’t ever happen: what about DG + Lance + Green for Bradley Beal, Jordan Crawford and Trevor Ariza? Just something I came up with on the trade machine. our starters could be hill, beal, George, west and hibbert. backups would be augustin, Crawford, ariza, hansbrough and mahinmi. We could still use OJ and Pendergraph now and then. That gives us one extra 3-pt shooting threat and increases our depth. Makes us a bit younger, too. And I like some of the lineups we could play around with. Wizards might be interested if they see Lance as a guy with a lot of potential and if they think DG and Wall will be a nice duo.