Post-Game Grades: Pacers Survive Bobcats behind David West's 1st Career Triple Double

Don’t wanna spend a lot of time on a win that was almost mandatory, but the Pacers ground out a 96-88 win over the Charlotte Bobcats.

David West was the rock he’d been for most of the early part of the season, and Indy got meaningful contributions from George Hill, Lance Stephenson, D.J. Augustin, and Ian Mahinmi on the way to their 10th straight win in the Fieldhouse.

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Here is how each guy played individually tonight. Agree? Disagree? Express your thoughts below in the comments or yell at me (@8pts9secs) or Tim (@TimDonahue8p9s) on Twitter.

David West, PF 38 MIN | 7-15 FG | 0-0 FT | 12 REB | 10 AST | 14 PTS | +9West’s first career triple double didn’t mean much to him, but it meant everything to the Pacers’ win. His second half was huge, with 10 points, 6 boards, and 7 assists.
Dominic McGuire, SF 7 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -3Maybe he should be graded lower, but what can you expect out of a guy on a 10-day contract thrown into the starting lineup?
Roy Hibbert, C 22 MIN | 4-9 FG | 1-2 FT | 9 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | -4Not sure what to do with this. Had 8 offensive rebounds, but he didn’t play in the fourth quarter due to a coach’s decision. Vogel was afraid that Hibbert would be exploited by Kemba Walker. Kemba. Walker.
George Hill, PG 42 MIN | 7-17 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 19 PTS | +4Shot 4-for-12 in first three quarters, but went 3-for-5 in 4th to help get the team home.
Lance Stephenson, SG 39 MIN | 8-13 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 2 AST | 17 PTS | -4Kept them afloat early then helped put the game away on a couple of beautiful David West feeds.

Tyler Hansbrough, PF 10 MIN | 1-3 FG | 1-1 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 3 PTS | -1Other than a great block of Jeff Adrien, wasn’t good.
Gerald Green, SF 22 MIN | 3-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 8 PTS | +7He can either miss good looks or not know where he’s supposed to be on the floor. Can’t do both.
Ian Mahinmi, C 26 MIN | 2-5 FG | 1-1 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 5 PTS | +12Played well again. Coach Vogel went with him over Hibbert down the stretch, because Vogel wanted a big that could deal with the pick-and-roll defensively. That’s fine, until you consider the fact that the investment the Pacers made in Hibbert.
D.J. Augustin, PG 28 MIN | 5-9 FG | 4-4 FT | 0 REB | 4 AST | 18 PTS | +12Conrad Brunner turned to me late in the game, and said, “He’s making up for that missed three [in the Pacers' earlier loss to Charlotte this year.]” He really did.
Orlando Johnson, SG 7 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 3 PTS | +8Like the way the kid comports himself out there. Still learning, but seems to know where he’s supposed to be.

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  • Jack Wright

    nice analysis of hibbert

  • NLP

    West saves the day yet again!

    Mahinmi is far better when playing with the starters. He is having his best shooting month so far and of his 18 Makes 12 have been assisted and 11 of them by a starter also half of the non-assisted buckets have came while in with the starters. Also 10 of his 14 assists this year have went to a starter and that’s with the first two coming to bench players when Roy was still getting big PT. I would like to see Frank start Ian and play Roy with Tyler and the bench more as the #1 option for a while to build up Roy’s confidence as it seems Roy has played really well with Hans this year and maybe getting to see some reserve big’s can help him out plus it keep Ian with a group that makes him much better, I know Frank isn’t going to do it with Roy’s contract but It could help a ton long term.

    • Jack Wright

      excellent idea. does vogel have the balls to do it?

      • NLP

        Very doubtful, Frank would say he doesn’t want to hurt Roy’s feeling taking away the starters tag since he’s emotional. I would say not playing him in crunch time has more of a mental effect on big Roy than losing the starters job.

        • Derek Cooper

          Well I’m glad to see ian getting some more time- I d really like to see him get consistant minutes and a chance to find his groove…eat up some of tylers power forward minutes if he keeps playing well maybe…and a few of roys..

    • Joe Betz

      Vogel was protecting Hibbert’s back, that is all, in a game that was already won. Hibbert will start, and Mahinmi will get extended minutes when he is playing well / pick-and-roll issues are overly exploited. The Pacers needed a reliable backup center with some athleticism, and now that Mahinmi has gelled within the system, he is looking impressive.

  • NLP

    How on earth does shooting 33% on 3 shots and 50% in the second half get a D but 25% on 12 shots including 0-for-4 in the second half get a D+ with just one more rebound and one less block despite 12:13 more on the floor? Hell Roy got a D+ the same as Green with much better numbers for not playing the 4th but Green with his terrible stats was benched the final 15:46 and totally blanked in the second half on 4 shots while Roy had 4 and 2 and Tyler got 3 and the block all in the 4th with 2 shots each in the half and less time.

    • Sean Bartz

      Arguing over grades like a pre-med student in one of my physics labs. lol

      • NLP

        If someone is going to post them on an ESPN Affiliated site I would like them to be somewhat consistent and realistic. When something odd pops up I enjoy knowing the reasoning behind,

        Roy
        just missed a double-double with 9-9 and got the same grade as a guy
        who shot 25% on a dozen shots with just 2 rebounds in almost the exact
        same amount of time. Roy had one more point on 3 less shots and also
        added a block, steal and a assist more than GG and neither played in the
        4th which was reasoning behind Roy’s grade getting lowered. while the
        lone player rated worse got a big block and 3 points on 50% shooting in
        the 4th which was deemed more important.. So on top of Roy having the
        better game he also had 8 offensive rebounds and those lead to 7 second
        chance points in a game we won by 8 and the Bobcats took the last shot
        in.

        If Green got a D+ for this game I can’t see how anyone could
        get less with a 25% shooting night on a DOZEN shots which tied his bench
        season high and he added just 2 boards to it in 22 MIN. That’s 6th man
        shots 12th man results and now he’s down to .36.2% on the year but yet
        takes the most shots on the bench by a miles and even more than Lance
        who is leading the team in shooting.

    • djmcba

      Giving grades isn’t purely statistical. Notice Orlando with the B for three points. Expectations, a player’s respective potential, and his role on the team are factors.

      Hope that clears things up.

      • NLP

        Orlando also had some stats as he got 3 rebounds with a steal and assist with no TO in 7:01. If we add the factors you mention Green should get the zero box on most nights since his role is the 6th man and we gave him a 4 year deal to fill that role. He is shooting terrible and that’s with his dunks and he’s taking more shots that Lance who is our best shooter this year in less time.

        • djmcba

          You’re missing the point; a d+ game for Roy and Gerald are not equivalent. 9 and 9 for Roy while getting scorched on the PnR is a d+.

          Basketball isn’t accounting (or even baseball for that matter). Numbers don’t cleanly express what happened on am individual game basis.

          For example, Lance has the highest field goal percentage but is certainly not our best shooter.

          • NLP

            If Roy doesn’t play we lose if Green sits we win by more its that simple. On player played at below replacement level the other had 8 offensive boards accounting for 7 points second chance points, he also added a assist good for a 3 pointer and picked up a block and a steal ending a chance to score.

            Roy dramatically changed the outcome of the game and in no universe should have gotten the same grade as a guy shooting 25% on 12 shots with just 2 defensive rebounds on his stat line.

  • Derek Cooper

    T. Hansbrough= an unstable eggbasket…….if u were mr. Simon(pacers owner) and ur eggs were made of money-gold-millions of invested$$- wud u want to keep them in a the basket of T. Hansbrouh? I understand the initial bet- but now he’s an expiring contract so likely movable. Is it a good bet if in the playoffs tyler is crashing into the NBAs big money making stars with his wreckless offensive crash moves- borderline offensive fouls…I mean on the national stage in the playoffs against the NBAs big money–do u really want to bet your invested golden eggs that those calls fall our way??? I wouldn’t really bet on tylers jumper either. AND his unbridled energy hurts us sometimes–he nearly K.O.’d lance a few games back– also his out of control tamahawk chop over wade in the playoffs last year may have sparked the fire that led to injuries to granger (if lebron intentionally understepped granger on that jumper…) No doubt it didn’t intimidate so much as anger and wake up the heat. Barring some unforseen miracle hansbrough will never be good at finishing inside- never be a shotblocking presence or a good passer- he can’t shoot 3′s -over a large sample of time he’s shown a erratic and unreliable jumper. Him getting to the foulline is efficient but don’t count on those calls going our way in the playoffs against bigMarket teams. His Energy is as dangerous to his own team as it is to the other. If we can move him as a value being an expiring contract the only logical thing to do is trade him. Right?

    • NLP

      Every team whats an unstable egg basket and that’s why a player like Tyler as flawed as he is will have a long career and make more money than most will ever dream of.

      • IndyLife

        Lol at OP. Tyler is 5th on the team in PER and EWA. He does the dirty work for the 2nd unit that no one else wants to do and will get at least a 3 year $12 mill deal if the FO has any sense.

        • Derek Cooper

          Eh, I cud be wrong. But I’m pretty sure the one efficient part of his game -freethrows-won’t get the calls its dependent on when it counts in the playoffs against bigmarkets. Also it’ll be easy enough for good playoff teams to tighten up on his midrange game if he hits a few. Its nice when he rebounds… eh…when….ya…I just think he’s most valuable as trade bait for being an expiring contract- technicly an RFA I know…

          • Derek Cooper

            Someone might say hansbrough brings toughness+physicality which is important in the playoffs. David West uses his toughness+physicality in a way that is productive and helps the team win. Last year vs miami in the playoffs Tyler used his toughness+physicality in a way that wasn’t so productive and just pissed the heat off and motivated them to take us down….tylers brand of toughness to me is counterproductive in the big picture

          • NLP

            West averaging a Double-Double over the first 3 leading us to a 2-1 series lead including up at the half of game 4 is what got them motivated not Tyler playing rough for 13 a game. If Tyler could actually get into the Heats head like that we better sign him now, for someone who doesn’t like him you are giving him way too much credit here.

          • Derek Cooper

            When spolsra talked to the media about tylers tomahawk chop it sounded like they really took that as a serious threat to wades physical safety. From that point I thot the heat played like they thot they had to play dirty- and may have led to lebron perhaps intentionally sticking his leg under dannys jumper messing up his knee….good points about tylers freethrow rate vs heat tho- – it still worries me cuz the refs are supposed to be cracking down on offensive players intentionally creating contact this year -its technicly a type of flop now(not sure exacly how they define it..)- and I think that rule is good for the game…but I bet tylers still getting to the line huh? …hmmm what a conflicting situation… if they let the heat just crash into the pacers and call fouls that wouldn’t be fair…don’t really want basketball to devolve into a crashing contest…

          • NLP

            Wade went off for 10-of-13 for 22 points with 6 boards and 5 assists in the second half of game 4 and LBJ had 21-13-4 in the same half after they scored the last 10 Heat points to end the first half.

            They then scored half of the Heat points to put us down at the time of Tyler hitting Wade. So its clear they had already been motivated to play before the fouls. If anything it helped out chances for game 6 since it got Udonis Haslem out of the game who killed us for 10-of-12 shooting in the game 4 and 5 losses.

            If you want to blame anyone you can look Tom Crean for coaching up Wade on the off day we had up 2-1 from that point on he torched us.

            The Heat are hell in the playoffs because Wade and James can play almost all 48 so they have two legit #1 options on the floor at all times so if they have any help from the supporting cast you have to play a damn near perfect game to win unless one of the two are off, once Wade got fixed by Tom it was a warp because the big two was on and they got help with UH going off in 4 and 5 off the bench, added 4 treys from Battier in game 5 and the same from Miller in game 6.

            They are vulnerable int he regular season because they don’t ride the stars so long and their bench can get exposed at time if they aren’t hitting in extended time but in the playoffs it takes a ton to win that’s why they are 7-1 in playoffs series since LBJ took his talents to South Beach and in the series loss the Mavs in the finals the Big 2 went cold and Dirk got big time help from his secondary players and Jason Terry went off.

          • Jack Wright

            tyler has plenty of good games off the bench. he also has plenty of ugly ones. i thought he was pretty damn cruddy vs the heat in the playoffs and was more of a liability than an asset. the guy cannot pass, cannot shoot, and cannot make offensive scoring moves. his aggression and awkward, bulky, flailing rim attacks get him to the line often, yes, but i have the same thought as derek: Against players like lechode, wade, and bosh, refs will be blowing the whistle like crazy on tyler on both ends of the court. and we’re all already fully aware that he’s not going to pass, and he’s not going to make his jumpers. So will he scrap up enough boards and get to the line often enough to make him an asset in the playoffs, despite his many downfalls? i’m on the doubtful side. but trading him only makes if we get a guy that can put the ball in the basket.

            i like the idea of going after a SF type who can shoot the ball really well. we can replace green’s worthless butt with whoever it is, and replace tyler with pendergraph (which we already should be experimenting with). our bench would be much more effective if we replaced green with a guy that can actually make shots.

          • Jack Wright

            gordon hayward would be perfect. trade hansbrough and green for hayward and a scrub or draft pick or somethin. doubt jazz would do it though

          • NLP

            That’s not even realistic since nobody would take Green and the Jazz have too many big men as is so they wouldn’t just give away their young 3rd best scorer.

            It would be like someone wanting PG last year for an expiring contract and a terrible player with 3 and a half more years left on his deal.

          • Jack Wright

            yeah i said i doubt it

          • NLP

            Your first line there can be said about every single bench player that doesn’t get 6th man lever shots or time.

          • Jack Wright

            no shit, but what about the rest of what i said

          • NLP

            He got to the line vs the Heat in the playoffs 14 times in 78 MP so the clip was still good but the PT was scaled back so far it wasn’t as noticeable as when he gets to the line all the time like when he gets big PT. That was 2 more times than Danny did in the Heat series and Danny played over 36 a game and lead the team in FT attempts in the regular season.

            When we got owned the last 3 games of the series he got there 4 times a game making 11 of 12 despite playing 40:26 total over those 3 games. West got to the line 8 times in just over 100 MP. The other 4 starters over those 3 games went like this Danny 4, Roy 8 and PG 9 and Hill 7 all in big time burn.

      • Derek Cooper

        But most unstable eggbaskets have some upside–its just that tylers upside looks to me logically sure to flip in playoff time–and not all unstable eggbaskets are expiring contracts and therefore tradebait…

        • NLP

          I’m all for trading him if we can get a real 6th man or something better than Green who is the worst player on the roster and one of the worst in the league this year.

          But players like Tyler will always find a home usually on a good team because they change the energy of the games and practices. And Tyler himself has the ability to get hot and rip off a nice scoring spurt with that energy and is a big who makes his FTs, If we cut Tyler free at 6 AM a contending team would scoop him up instantly and he would be someplace getting ready to play by noon.

    • Joe Betz

      TH won a game earlier in the year with great defense and an ability to get to the line when the Pacers couldn’t score a bucket. The Pacers have shopped TH before, but I don’t see him going anywhere until after the season, if at all. His jump shot is starting to fall a little more now, which is good, and which was one of the main reasons the second unit was killed by Miami last year–TH shot 20%. It’s his third year, he has more confidence, and he has one of the best motors in the game. He’s awkward, and that’s why I like him.

  • NLP

    Speaking of Triple-Doubles when did Hill lose his from this year, Everywhere I looks has him with just 9 assists in that game now. Was thinking how cool it would be to have 5 starters with one in the same year and noticed his was gone while looking at how close everyone was.

  • lil-bang

    Alot of analysts are second guessing their thoughts on the Pacers over exceeding last year. They contributed their success due to a shorten season and to lack of injuries…well the Pacers are 3rd in the east with the best defense doing that without Danny all year (one of our best shooters and defenders), Hill having a thumb injury and a hip issue plus the flu and bronchitis, Roy now having back spasms, and on this night PG having the flu…quite an impressive season so far. Keep it up Pacers.