Roy Hibbert's New Competition


I’m going to try not to focus on the West Coast aspect of this summer’s biggest trade, you know, the one that put Dwight Howard alongside Kobe Bryant as he tries to match Jordan’s six rings by beating the league’s other super team, the Miami Heat. (Sorry, we are contractually obligated to mention them). Instead, I want to talk about the aspect of the trade that directly affects the Indiana Pacers.

While it is a luxury for all Eastern contenders to be able to rid themselves of Howard’s presence, it does not mean that the conference is now void of a dominant big man. As you well know by now, Andrew Bynum was traded to the Philadelphia 76ers in the same deal.

From a national perspective I have already heard the words “instantly becomes the best center in the Eastern conference” said about Bynum a number of times. With all due to respect to Mr. Bynum, I believe Roy Hibbert deserves the chance to throw his hat in the ring this season.

While Howard was part of the Eastern Conference it was unfair to compare him to Hibbert. Howard’s talents, resume and statistics speak for themselves. That’s no disrespect to Hibbert, Howard is just that good. But I wouldn’t make that same claim about Bynum. I’ll admit that Bynum, who has been in the league three years longer than Hibbert, has shown, at times, a higher level of dominance, but that gap is narrowing. While most people talk about Bynum’s potential to match Howard, I believe that Hibbert is closer in value to Bynum than Bynum is to Howard.

With Bynum being a member of the Sixers, the Pacers will see much more of him, especially considering Philadelphia is an up-and-coming contender in the East much like Indiana. You may remember that while the Pacers were playing the Heat to a six game series, the Sixers was pushing the Celtics to the limit in a seven-game series.

Bynum and Hibbert will surely be the focus points of any Sixers/Pacers match-ups. Taking a look at Bynum and Hibbert’s head-to-head match-ups (which can be found at Basketball-reference.com) gives us a little insight to their history.

The sample size is small, the two have only faced off against each other six times. As one might have guessed Bynum holds the statistical advantage.

Points Per Game
Bynum: 16.5
Hibbert:12.7

Field Goal %
Bynum: .684
Hibbert: .538

Rebounds Per Game
Bynum: 7.8
Hibbert: 4.8

Blocks Per Game
Bynum: 0.3
Hibbert: 1.3

Bynum proved to be the better offensive player in head-to-head matchups, which correlates with Bynum’s better offensive statistics for his career.

It should be noted, however, that five of their six match-ups took place in 2010 or earlier and the only recent match-up between the two players had different results.

On January 22, 2012, the two players faced off and Hibbert recorded 18 points, 8 rebounds and 4 assists compared to Bynum’s 16 points, 8 rebounds and 1 assist. Hibbert’s efforts led to a Pacers’ victory over the Lakers. This game came during a season in which both players were unquestionably having the best seasons of their careers and both played in the All-Star Game.

While Bynum and Hibbert have similarities as players, they come across quite differently off the court. Hibbert has done a great job of presenting himself as a likable and respected member of the Indiana community and the NBA as a whole. Check his Twitter (@Hoya2Pacer) right now and you are likely to find evidence of him interacting with his fans or reiterating his gratefulness to be a Pacer.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say Andrew Bynum is a bad guy, but eccentric might be a fair term. There was the time he was kicked out of a playoff game for elbowing J.J. Barea and subsequently took his jersey off. There are his random sound bites that seemingly channel his inner Metta World Peace. There was his insistance on shooting three-point shots in a close game. Heck, he landed in Philly for his press conference in Lakers gear.

Two top centers with clashing personalities on young, up-and-coming playoff teams? Sounds like the recipe for a potential rivalry. With Hibbert signing a five-year extension in Indiana and Bynum leaning towards an extension with Philadelphia himself, these two could be battling for “best center in the East” for quite some time.

Their first match-up comes Friday, December 14, in Indina.

Tags: Andrew Bynum

  • Mike

    I love Big Roy, but Bynum is definitely the superior player. Sure, their average games are pretty similar, but when Bynum is locked in, he completely dictates the tone of the game and is completely unstoppable by anyone short of Dwight. Roy can take over for a quarter or a half at a time but he hasn’t shown that he’s capable of controlling an entire game. Bynum is a superior athlete and unlike Howard is nearly the size of Roy.

    That’s not to say that I’d rather have Bynum. He’s sort of a headcase and is prone to some really stupid decisions. He also rarely makes his teammates better beyond just being a good last line of defense.

    The only reason this competition is interesting is because Roy’s work ethic and love for the game is just so much better than Bynum’s. Bynum seems at times like he only plays basketball because he’s supposed to, while Roy plays with a true love for the game. That desire could be enough to propel Roy to an overall better career than Bynum, but if you’re comparing the two as players, Hibbert comes up a bit short, which isn’t typical for a guy his size.

  • Mike 2

    Great to see a new article!
    I agree that this will be an interesting rivalry to watch next season and into the future. The biggest difference I see now is that Bynum weighs more and Roy has trouble keeping position in the post without fouling. Roy is a much harder worker though and it will be interesting to see how Bynum fairs without Kobe, Pau, and Ron on the floor with him. Plus he (Bynum) gets injured a LOT; looking forward to a great match-up this season. Go Pacers!

  • Sam

    Great Piece!
    Agree with Mike 2 about Bynum’s injuries and I also believe that he will struggle a little now that he is the 1st option on his team

  • statz

    pretty sure bynum averaged about 10 times as many blocks/game as you give him credit for

  • Zack

    Yeah I thought that was pretty funny. It’s statistically impossible to average .03 of anything in only 6 games, so that has to be a typo.

    Interesting article. Bynum is definitely the better player at this point in time, but with how hard Roy works and how injury prone Bynum is, it’s a good debate. Looking forward to the future of the Pacers!

  • FIRST

    welcome to the Pacers
    Sam Young, Sundiata Gaines and Blake Ahearn!!!!

    Very excited about Sam Young, great pickup, the guy has an amazing pump-fake

  • stray dawg

    ESPN had Bynum at 1.9 blks/g in the regular season and 3.1 blks/g in the playoffs. Pretty good numbers. But don’t overlook his career best 20% on 1-5 shooting from behind the arc. Dude is deadly from range. He should shoot 3′s 10 times a game, especially against the Pacers! Looks like he did learn a thing or two from Ron Artest. CLANK!

  • Bewildered

    The .03 bpg is for the six meetings between Roy and Bynum thus far, meaning Bynum had just one block in those six games.

    In related news, reading comprehension levels are at an all-time amongst NBA fans.

  • Bewildered

    *all-time low

    Typos are up 125%.

  • 7IHd

    Dude, 1 block in 6 games would be equal to 1/6 which when written as a decimal is .167; as was stated above, it is impossible to have .03 of anything in just 6 games. Unless he was credited for 1/6 of a block? He could have had roughly 0.3 (0.333) if he had 2 blocks in that time, though.

  • Zack

    Bewildered:

    Obviously you don’t understand what 1/6 is. 7IHd pointed out, if Bynum had just one block in the six games, he would have .167 or rounded to .17 blocks per game.

    Again, .03 blocks (or .03 of anything for that matter) in just 6 games is statistically impossible.

  • Jonathan Auping

    Stat inquires:

    In six games Bynum had as follows: 0 blocks, 1 block, 0 blocks, 1 block, 0 blocks, 0 block

    The calculation was done by adding the number of blocks totaled in the six games (2) and dividing them by the total number of games (6).

    2/6 = 0.3333

    Yes, there was a typo as I managed to slip in the 0 after the decimal rather than before it, which I have fixed for future readers. I apologize. Hibbert still averaged a higher number of blocks.

  • http://www.pootlives.com FIRST

    has anybody noticed that SN rated the Indiana Pacers as the #4 team as of 2012… not the #4 NBA team but #4 team in ALL PRO SPORTS!!!
    #3 in the NBA for what it’s worth, behind OKC and San Antonio.

    Check out the rankings yourself:
    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings

  • Fly

    J.A. Thanks for the article and the update. Glad to see at least Pacers fans care about mathmatics these days! The Hibbert/Bynum battles should fun to watch. Big Roy is a great fit for the Pacers. He may not produce the numbers that Bynum does, but i’ll bet ya dollars to doughnuts his team gets the better of the 76′ers in the win column. While Bynum was working on his threes and going in for surgery at the start of the season, Big Roy was working on his hook-shot with both hands. Four years from now Roy Hibbert will still be a righteous Pacer, and Andrew Bynum will still be a chump, numbers be damned!
    P.S. J.A.? Dallas Cowboys? Dallas Basketball? Really? What’s with the turn to the darkside? Well, give Coach Carlisle some love from this Pacers fan. He shoulda got the job after Bird. What the heck happened there? Anyway…

  • Jack

    bynum sucks

  • 7IHd

    @JA: No worries on the typo, and thanks for the clarification.

    Regarding the subject, Bynum is immensely talented, and if that were the only thing considered, he would be much closer to D12′s value than Hibb’s. However, his character leaves a whole lot to be desired and he can be either the best or worst player out on the court at any given time. He also doesn’t put in nearly as much work as Roy (as stated) and compensates for his flaws with an abundance of natural gifts like freakish athleticism for his size. If he put in the kind of effort that Hibb does, Bynum could be the best center in the league. He has a pretty good set of post moves and is physically gifted and a great defender when he chooses to be.

  • Realist

    Last time these two went head to head, Hibbert copped a broken nose, kept playing (cause he said he knew how important this game waws), and we rallied to beat the Lakers at Staples, again.

  • Realist

    *was

  • dwain

    ummmm Reggie Reggie…..?

  • http://www.pootisalive.com fartknocker

    welcome to the Pacers
    Sam Young, Sundiata Gaines and Blake Ahearn!!!!

    Very excited about Sam Young, great pickup, the guy has an amazing pump-fake

    AND has anybody noticed that SN rated the Indiana Pacers as the #4 team as of 2012… not the #4 NBA team but #4 team in ALL PRO SPORTS!!!
    #3 in the NBA for what it’s worth, behind OKC and San Antonio.

    Check out the rankings yourself:
    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/teamrankings

  • Jermaine

    Good job not covering any of the recent signings or Reggie Miller being enshrined in the hall of fame. One article a month is plenty of content from a sports blog.

  • lol

    tell em Jermain!

  • lol

    watch, I can post an article better than anything this site has to offer. for your reading pleasures….

    reggie clutch in hall of fame enshrined
    reggie had made a career out of great finishes, and at a completely lackluster 2012 hall of fame ceremony, it was once again up to reggie to save the day. as the final inductee of the night reggie had a tall task in order, staying awake. but as always, reggie pulled through for all the gamblers counting on him. the over/under for references to cheryl was 9.5, and he easily doubled that halfway through his speech. he even went so far as to call her the greatest female basketball player of all time. really reggie? did you forget chris bosh already? both siblings were clearly emotional as they fumbled through low fives/butt pats/unexpected kisses. however this time, reggie, always a runner up to the greatest shooting guard of all time, managed to outperform mj with his speech. while jordan was openly bitter, mocking his high school coach, refering to himself in third person, and obviously drunk, reggie took the high road and thanked everyone he had ever worked with, including the scum of the earth. no not his agent, i’m referring to isaiah thomas. he even went as far as to give a standing ovation to travis best and austin croshere, much to the confusion of the sleepy audience. the only person he forgot to thank was spike lee, although reggie did scratch his junk at one point, perhaps an homage to spike? despite the awkward moments, reggie pulled it all together and came out on top at the end of his speech, by thanking god, an angel, and of course, one more thanks to cheryl.

    see i wrote that in about 2 minutes… come on 8pt9sec, step your game up already!

  • Realist

    Chris Bosh line was good

  • Joe B

    These two cancel one-another out for me. Bynum has better talent, but Hibbert has better hustle and discipline; their sizes cancel; Hibbert’s getting the best of Bynum in the last two matches is too limited a sample to say he is better, but if Hibbert builds that difference this season, then we can talk. Still, I am always taking Hibbert–solid player.

  • Fly

    Jermaine, come on dude. If you have something to say, say it! Stop waiting for someone else to say it for you. The recent signings are meaningless. Not one of those players can make Pacers final roster. If you want to talk about Reggie, then talk. Say what you want. I bet you would get some feedback. However, i seriously doubt the people that run this site are real concerned with entertaining you through the NBA dead zone summer. All Pacers fans “Jones” for the upcoming season. No new article on this site would satisfy my thirst for the season to start today! It’s all about the home opener Nov. 3 against Sac-Town. I expect a full house. See you there!

  • Jermaine

    The people who run this site are not concerned with entertaining me? Are you retarded? Why does this site exist if not to entertain the readers? Are all blogs not concerned with entertaining the readers or just this one you dolt? That is absolutely the dumbest comment I’ve ever read which is saying quite a bit. Go blow Jared Wade you douche.

  • Jermaine

    Also there is a good chance Gaines takes AJ Price’s role as the 3rd string PG. Not a huge signing, but way better than having Lance as the backup if DJ or Hill get hurt. Still don’t trust Lance getting big minutes. This site is named after Reggie Miller, you think it makes sense that it wouldn’t cover him going to the hall of fame?

  • lol

    i can write another article real quick since everyone seems to be uproarious about my last post. here goes nothing…

    pacer fans rabid at lack of new blog posts
    corportate productivity is at an all time high in the state of Indiana…. Pacers.com recieved its first hit in over 6 years… kleenex and lotion sales are at an all time high… what is the common denominator in all this? a team of scientists has concluded: only 2 new blog posts on 8pts9sec in the last 47 days. for you stat geeks, that is 1 blog post every 23.5 days. much like something else that happens every 23.5 days, and it’s a bloody mess. one post was a video which was made for NBC Sports’ ProBasketballTalk but passed on as an original blog post… how convenient. the other was a fumbling comparison of Hibbert and Bynum when they played head to head 6 times, something statisticians would dismiss as irrelevant.
    so what is the reasoning? is it due to a lack of material? indycornrows suggests not, having posted 4 articles in the past 24 hours. is it due to a lack of interest? 8pts9sec’s past 3 posts have a combined 140 comments, many begging for more posts, so clearly the demand is there. is there complacency- after a good run the blog posters feel they are no longer obligated to service the fans who got them there? to Pacers fans this is an all too familiar feeling. after a great run in the 90s and early 00s, they quit on the fans. it wasn’t until the fans quit coming to the games, leading to a league worst attendance rating for several years, that the mgmt got their act together and started to try again, enlisting players who would try to be there for the fans as well. so as fans we know what we must do- go post on the timberwolves blog!!! their team has 10 white guys, what’s not to like?

    ok that wasnt as good as my reggie post, i admit writing is hard, but at least it’s something, which is more than i can say about the “pros”

  • the real lol

    i didn’t write that, stop trying to take credit for my work whoever posted as me

  • Fly

    8.9 is a free fan site that i, for one, enjoy. I do not expect the people that run the site to go out of there way just to provide me free entertainment that caters to my undeserved, and unearned, expectation of what i think the site should be. For those people that do not like the way 8.9 is run, stop bitching and start your own site. Otherwise, talk about the Pacers; come strong with opinions; and, quit believing this site owes anyone anything, period! Go Pacers! They will earn it!

  • Joe B

    It’s too bad there are not more posts–but in the off-season, I cannot expect too much. Still, some diagramming of the new schedule…possible rotations…expectations of certain players…I do not think it would be hard to start a string of comments on an intriguing question.

    So, I will do it. Here it is: What will the Pacers first and second unit look like, and what combinations of players do you think will work best when X player is in foul trouble.

    And….go!

  • stray dawg

    I really want to see how DJ, G.Green, P.George, and Plum can run, and i mean run, on the 2nd unit. I dont mean P.George should come off the bench. He should play 40! With both units! The Pacers starting 5 is a staunch half-court offense, built for the playoffs. If the bench can run and score, they can wear out teams. I would like to see Hans finish at the rim, but i think Miles P. is going to challenge him for minutes. What team has a 2nd unit that can deal with DJ, GG, and PG? Pacers go 7 deep, strong, with Ian, Hans, and Plum waiting in the wings. Do the Pacers have enough to beat the Heat? Maybe! Can the Pacers beat everyone else in the East? Damn Right!

  • fartknocker

    starting 5 will be hibs/dwest/grangy/pg/hill
    knowing vogel rotations, i expect hans and dj to be first off the bench–
    hibs/hans/grangy/pg/dj
    then maybe hit up the bench mob with ian/gg/young–
    ian/hans/gg/young/dj
    in blowouts probably will be a good time for plum/gaines to get some play–
    ian/plum/gg/young/gaines

    i think lance/ahern/pendy will be spending the year on IR and orlando won’t make the team

    i am looking most forward to a lineup of plum/grangy/gg/pg/dj, dunk how, running em ragged!

  • dwain

    yeah that second unit could be strong ian/hans/green/young/orlando for some run an gun

  • stray dawg

    I have not seen enough of Gerald Green to know if can D-Up some of the bigger 3′s in the League. That leads me to think the Pacers might give P. George more run with the 2nd Unit at SF, which could turn a weakness behind Granger into a strength. It puts Green in position to be first off the bench early in the 1st Q so PGeorge can get a rest before checking in for Granger late in the 1st. I would love to see the Pacers start the 2nd Q with DJ, G.Green, P.George, THans, and Ian. That is a unit with ball-handling, scoring, defense, toughness, and athleticism. Hopefully, G. Green can step up and handle the pressure. He could be a key piece to the 2nd unit as the 6th man.

  • stray dawg

    Finding minutes for Lance, O.John, J.P., and Plum will be tough, except for blowouts. That’s what happens on a good team. Young, Gaines, and Ahearn will struggle just to make the team. Again, that’s what happens. Sam Young should have an edge because he can play the 3, but i would not be surprised if the Pacers start the season with 13, and those three get cut. Also, i just want to say that i like Jeff Pendergraph. He works, acts, and plays like a Pro. He has what it takes to play in the League. I am convinced, if he gets a chance, he will push THans for PT behind DWest and Granger in the playoffs, checking Lebron. He is a better defender and can finish at the rim. I like him as the most improved Pacer in the upcoming season. Wouldn’t that be sweet!

  • Rabble

    I keep seeing Lance Stephenson listed as a Shooting Guard. He can’t shoot or guard! Why do the Pacers keep him around? Isn’t he 16th on a 15 man team? And a pain in the ass, to boot? The only thing he has ever done for the Pacers is clank his free-throws and act like a punk, off the court, from the bench, in the playoffs. WHY is he still a Pacer? Anyone? Hello? Bird? Donnie? Fans?

  • Rabble

    As a Pacers fan, I would like to comment on the photo at the top of this post! Roy Hibbert looks ready to go to war with his team! Andrew Bynum looks ready to go to war with a banana cream pie! Tell me i am wrong!

  • Realist

    Judging by the setup of the NBA Rank page here it looks like Roy comes in as (or will be coming in as) our highest ranking player, followed by Danny, then West. Thoughts? PG = 75 and George Hill = 87, btw. (Nice to have the starters all sub 100).

    Personally, I would’ve thought Danny still by a nose over West (or maybe a tie), then maybe a slight gap to Roy. But the ESPN experts seem to think otherwise. Interesting. I don’t think Roy’s our #1 guy though regardless of his salary.

    Not that it matters too much. We’re all aware any success we have will be via a balanced team effort ala Pistons 2004. If Paul George makes the “leap” everyone’s talking about so be it. That’d be sweet but certainly not essential.

  • lance sucks

    except at pushing women down the stairs

  • ESPN Insider Pirate

    Overview
    The Pacers have always had a rep as sort of a bland team. They are without a headlining star who takes up residence in the nightly highlights. They are just as short on oohs as they are aahs to say nothing of the overall lack of drama.

    But what they’ve proved is bland can play. The Pacers stepped into the category of contender last season with a stronger-than-expected regular season and took the eventual champion Heat to six games in the second round and even led 2-1.

    Indiana finished with the sixth-best record in the league thanks to a roster full of emerging, coachable stars who get the most out of their ability and seem to be tailor-made to work together. Along with fluid ball movement and solid shooting, the Pacers have added a rugged aggressiveness as one of their calling cards, quietly becoming one of the most physical teams in the league. Nowhere was that more evident than the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Heat, as Danny Granger & Co. matched Miami’s toughness and disrupted its game plan by bodying, pushing and clawing for every possession.

    The Pacers had somewhat of a quiet summer — outside of retaining the services of All-Star center Roy Hibbert — and focused on beefing up their bench. Depending on the timetable for Derrick Rose’s return, they could finish as high as the No. 2 seed in the East, meaning they wouldn’t have to face presumed No. 1 Miami until the conference finals. If there’s optimism coming out of Indy, it’s with very good reason.

    Additions
    With Darren Collison shipped off to the Dallas Mavericks, Indiana brought in D.J. Augustin, who could compete with George Hill for the starting job but more likely will embrace a role as the first point guard off the bench. Augustin’s benefit to the Pacers will be his ability to distribute the ball, particularly in transition, where he is adept at finding streakers and trailers.

    His perimeter defense is suspect, which could limit his minutes in a heated, dragged-out playoff series. The onus will be on Augustin to make big strides in that department if he wants to see a significant role with the Pacers.

    Gerald Green’s comeback was one of the feel-good stories of last season. But what the Pacers want to get out of the Green signing isn’t high-flying dunks but an all-around meaningful contribution. They are hoping he is an immediate impact from behind the arc. His 39 percent shooting from 3 last season would have been second best on the Pacers. Green will also need to use his athletic skills in a more substantial way by becoming the type of defender who can keep quick strong guards in front to him.

    Key personnel
    The additions Indiana made this summer were nice, but its most important move was matching the four-year, $58 million offer sheet for Hibbert. The big man has worn the label of second-best center in the Eastern Conference for several years now — not a bad distinction considering the best center was Dwight Howard.

    With Howard now basking in the sun with the Los Angeles Lakers and Andrew Bynumfinding a new home with the Philadelphia 76ers, it’s assumed that Hibbert will continue to wear that banner. Maybe. But the gap between Bynum and Hibbert is a lot smaller than Howard and Hibbert, and Hibbert has proved to be far more durable than Bynum. Hibbert is the biggest reason, figuratively and literally, that the Pacers are contenders.

    Granger’s production has tapered off in recent years (see below), so the Pacers are a team without a clear-cut go-to star. Granger has been their leading scorer since his second season, but he isn’t the sort of star player who can put a team on his back. Last season, he was far too reliant on his outside shot. More than half of his attempts were deep jumpers. But Granger’s temperament and ability blends well with those around him, which gives the Pacers’ offense a natural balance and is arguably just as important as a go-to guy.

    Paul George could be the most intriguing player on the roster thanks to his blend of terrific athleticism and defensive skills. Becoming a full-time starter last season, the versatile George saw jumps in nearly every major statistical category. He averaged an impressive 14.7 points, 6.8 rebounds and two steals per 36 minutes. He also displayed skills that could land him on league’s All-Defense team sooner rather than later. George could be the X factor against the Heat as the Pacers’ best bet to slow LeBron James. While David West’s production dropped off in his first season back from a devastating knee injury, his workman-like toughness helps against elite power forwards.

    Telling stat: 3
    As in three years in a row. That’s the number of seasons in which Granger’s scoring average has dipped. In 2008-09, he averaged a gaudy 25.8 points per game, following that up with 24.1, 20.5 and 18.7 over the next three seasons.

    You can look at that in two ways. First, the Pacers have a much better roster and the scoring load is spread out more evenly. Gone are the days where Granger would simply try to shoot the Pacers to a win. On the other hand, Granger’s field goal percentage has dipped each of the past three years and bottomed out at a career-low 41.6 percent last season. That has less to do with how the Pacers have beefed up their roster than Granger being exposed for being a bit one-dimensional, preferring to catch-and-shoot rather than create opportunities going toward the basket. His 3.2 attempts per game at the rim were his lowest in five years. That’s not the most reassuring stat for Indy’s best player who should be smack in the middle of his prime.

    What needs to go right?
    The Pacers have a solid collection of young players who mesh well together and are far from their individual ceilings. With quality players at each position and reasonable depth, they are a squad fairly well built for the playoffs and should offer a tough challenge for whoever they draw. Given that the Pacers match up well with Miami and have a clear advantage on the block with Hibbert, they’ll force the Heat to play near-perfect basketball to get by them. That or engage them in an unwanted grudge match. Probably both. But much like last season, the Pacers are slightly less talented than the Heat overall, but at least they’re not a bunch of faggots.

    On paper, the Knicks seem like the ideal team to challenge Miami’s supremacy in the East, but despite bigger names and a much higher payroll, they simply haven’t been able to put it together. The Pacers have and with far less fanfare. The answer lies in the fact that their collection of individual skills fit together better than the Knicks do. Call it chemistry, call it being on the same page, but regardless of how you classify it, that quality is an essential building block of a contender.

  • Jack

    “but at least they’re not a bunch of faggots”….. hahahahahaha. i love how out of sync that comment is with the rest of the post. and i love how absolutely true it is. i HATE the heat so much. probably with all my heart, i’d say.

  • Hoosier

    Pirate. I enjoyed reading your comment. It was written well right up to the point where you described what the Pacers are not. Your choice of words smacks of ignorance and intolerance and stereotypes that basketball fans in Indiana do not need. Come on, Dude! You obviously have some intelligence. Find a better word! Give your opinion, talk trash, dis whoever. Just don’t be like Kobe, spilling heated epithets that you will come to regret. Find a better word. The Pacers Are Not Milquetoast! They can do better. So can you.

  • Realist

    I love how I wrote a comment 2 days ago talking about the Pacers in ESPN’s NBA Rank, and it is still “awaiting moderation” because I coded the html link into the post. But you can paste a whole article and add that line (Gold, by the way) and that goes through no probs.

    Anyway, West came in in the 50′s, Granger will be next, and Hibbert is apparently our top ranked player (you can tell by looking at the Pacers page). Thoughts?

    I would’ve had Danny as our best by a nose over probably West and then a slight gap to Roy. But the ESPN experts disagree.

  • Hoosier

    I still do not understand why the Pacers did not go after Steve Novak or Ryan Anderson in the offseason. Don’t the Pacers need a Big that can hit from deep? Big Smooth Style! Off the bench?

  • Jack

    ryan anderson???????? puuhhh hahahahah…. a whiny ass slow white guy…..ppuuuuhhh

  • ESPN Insider Pirate

    You probably posted a link in your comment, however the lack of response proves that not only the blog writers, but also the moderators are asleep at the wheel.

    I am sure my comment will get taken down, it won’t be the first time for me, and I apologize to the fans I have offended (Hoosier.) Blame Chris Palmer, he wrote it. I know he did not mean it as a derogatory homosexual slur, but rather to emphasize their flamboyant disrespect of the sport of basketball, as well as their keen appreciation of the male butthole.

    Also, to the comment above mine about Lance Stephenson: well played, sir. I laughed twice.

  • dwain

    @ pirate a fie to moderation…”we don’t need no stinkin’ badges” and as we seem to be pretty much left adrift here, thks for the (s)article + added line

  • Fly

    8.9 is a free fan site that i, for one, enjoy. I do not expect the people that run the site to go out of there way just to provide me free entertainment that caters to my undeserved, and unearned, expectation of what i think the site should be. Realist you’re an asshole for thinking this site’s moderators should go out of THEY’RE way to cater to your undeserved and unearned expectations of what this site should be. If you sucked on Jared Wade’s ball sack like I do then you’d get your link posted. You don’t deserve anything! Sports blogs with at least 4 writers should only put out 1 story a month and not moderate the boards. Your generation thinks you’re entitled to everything, you make me sick.
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