The Pacers Draft Miles Plumlee

At pick #26 the Pacers took a big man. Honestly, that is what last year’s team needed more than anything. Tyler Hansbrough was worthless and as much as I love LOUUUUUU, he isn’t a long-term solution.  Is Miles Pumleee the answer? Who knows? But it’s who hey drafted: the tall guy from Duke. Welcome aboard, Miles.

Hopefully he will help buoy a front court bench that struggled to exploit the smaller Heat.

Tags: 2012 NBA Draft Miles Pumlee

  • Mike

    Just because you can say “trade up to a top pick” doesn’t mean it can happen. You have no idea what went on behind the scences. Maybe teams didn’t want Collison or Hands Bro plus the 26 for their pick. Or maybe we just didn’t want their top pick. We have scorers right now. What we’re lacking is some bench depth.

  • Jordan

    If Larry’s draft history is an indicated, this pick could be a mistake. Take a good look:
    2006: Pacers take Shawne Williams, miss out on Rajon Rondo (maybe not Bird’s fault, but he was in the office).
    2007: No picks (due to bad deals). Got the rights to Stanko Barac from Miami (w/e).
    2008: Pacers trade Jarryd Bayless for Brandon Rush, miss out on George Hill and almost miss Roy Hibbert if not for a trade to Toronto (Bird finds a way to make up for his mistakes).
    2009: Pacers take Tyler Hanbourgh, miss out on Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, and Ty Lawson (Again, Bird finds a way to make up for a mistake…almost. Collison is backup PG now. Personally, I wanted Ty Lawson back then and now he’s the starting PG for Denver).
    2010: Pacers take Paul George and Lance Stephenson (Paul good, Lance gets in fights).
    2011: Pacers trade Kawhi Leonard for George HIll (Keeping the pick or doing the trade was a win-win situation).
    2012: Pacers take Miles Plumlee (see Tyler Hansbrough).

    Other 2nd Round picks, James White, AJ Price. Useless foreign Stanko Barac, Davis Bertans

    The draft track record of Larry Bird says to me, “I can’t pick ‘em but I’ll try to fix it later.” Good news, Larry’s gone and can’t fix this mistake if Plumlee tanks (which seems likely).

  • Jordan

    Let me ad to 2011: If the Pacers had just taken George Hill in 2008, then they could have kept Kawhi Leonard in 2011. Soooo…….

  • Mike

    Let me analyze your nonsense.
    2005: Granger. Hello??
    2006: Worst draft probably in NBA history. 20 other teams passed on Rondo. And he went to a team and flourished with 3 future hall of famers.
    2007: Bad deals? We traded the pick to get Al Harrington back from ATL. He’s been in the league for a long time now and has had an above average career. That 11th pick? Acie Law.
    2008: What is Bayless doing these days? Rush averaged 10 points last season and was one of the best three point shooters in the league. He had off the court problems with the Pacers that no one can predict on draft night. Roy was not a favorite pick for people. I remember everyone thought he wouldn’t pan out. Too slow.
    2009: I’ll admit Hands bro wasn’t a great pick. But not terrible either.
    2010: People thought George was a reach, turns out he wasn’t/ Lance is a second rounder. And fights? Really?
    2011: I’m still for Hill. I’ll take a proven NBA ball handler/shooter over a hustle guy out of college 9 times out of 10.
    2012: You can’t even say anything.

  • Nik Krause

    I personally like this pick. Always nice to see a brother coming off the bench.

  • k

    @Mike/Jordan (!):
    2005: “Crediting” an executive for drafting a player that fell into his lap, when it was a matter of consensus that Granger should have been drafted higher and simply wasn’t, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. And if you are going to credit him for Granger, you also have to add Erazem Lorbek to the list of 2nd-round duds.
    2006: Bad draft, sure, but he’d get a little less grief from me if he didn’t demonstrate the certainty about it that he did (said a week before the draft he had his guy picked out already, adding “he’s known.” Can’t find the article, but I’m sure somebody like Mike Wells would remember if someone tweeted him). And then he traded their second-round pick and TWO FUTURE second-rounders to Portland to move up in the second and draft James White, who then got cut in camp.
    2007: Traded the pick for Harrington, and then promptly sent Harrington to GS. Whatever slice of the Murphy/Dunleavy trade that pick bought did more harm than good. Kicked one of the #2′s down the road to take Stanko Barac.
    2008: I actually thought this was a pretty good draft. No complaints, honestly.
    2009: Hansbrough, like Plumlee, was a terrible pick. More on that in a minute. Price is a fringe-NBA player, who may actually be Larry’s best second-round pick. That is not a compliment to either of them.
    2010: George was a good pick. Stephenson’s getting into fights I think was meant to indicate what modest value he does bring (he also, like, threw his pregnant girlfriend down a flight of stairs, but whatever, I’m content to just say he hasn’t contributed anything in this first two seasons)
    2011: I actually liked the trade at the time, but it’s no longer clear to me that George Hill is better than Kawhi Leonard by himself, let alone 3 second-round picks better (although it can be argued that two of those “picks” are actually guys, and those guys are terrible and may never make it stateside, although it could THEN be argued that those terrible guys were also drafted by Larry Bird). Or to put it another way, going into the 2012 draft, from 8 years of second rounds of drafts, setting aside whether they’re still playing in Indy, simply in terms of drafted players playing in the NBA, Larry turned 8 second-round picks into AJ Price and Lance Stephenson. Eight. I know you can’t expect a lot from second-round picks, but you’d think you’d at least either hit (really hit) on one out of eight, or get at least, I don’t know, FOUR middling fringe-bench guys?
    Which brings us to 2012. Don’t know Johnson, but I’ve heard good things. But for the same reason I hated the Hansbrough pick, I don’t like this one either because it ignores VALUE. You can say you think Plumlee will contribute meaningfully, and that’s an opinion that can’t be proven wrong until he plays. But what can’t be credibly argued is that he could only have been had at 26 (ditto Hansbrough at 13). If you really want Miles Plumlee, and you absolutely can’t work out a deal to trade down to a pick where you would be confident you’d still get Miles Plumlee, but Perry Jones is universally believed to be a higher-end talent who would fetch more in a trade, then you draft Perry Jones, and you wait for someone else to draft Miles Plumlee, and you offer them Perry Jones for Miles Plumlee and SOMETHING. If they dig their heels in and say “no, you’re not getting Miles Plumlee,” then you make the same offer to someone else for another player, and live with not getting the great Miles Plumlee and settling for some other backup center–AND SOMETHING ELSE, or, absolute worst-case scenario, you live with getting a borderline lottery talent at 26. Gauging the interest of other teams in players is a part of the process, and failing to exploit the obvious discrepancy between teams around the league’s interest in Perry Jones and teams around the league’s interest in Miles Plumlee is just laughably bad business.

  • k

    oops. Sorry. 7, not 8. Seven second-rounders. My mistake.

  • Tony Hicks

    This was a terrible pick. Do you really look for Jeff Foster like talent in the first round?!?! Perry Jones III should have been the pick. David West is 30 and has one more year on his contract. As much as I like him, it’s only down here from here. Our starting 5 is set; so why not have Jones III learn from West as a project?

    Baylor was a pretty selfish team with a lot of talent, and all of their players were “me first” kind of players, which hampered how good Perry Jones III can be. The leg problem is overrated. Michael Jordan got hurt his second year and he turned out pretty good.

    Plumlee 20 min per game at Duke his senior year?….umm Mike is no idiot, he didn’t play that much for a reason

  • Mike

    Hitting on a second round pick is nearly equivalent to hitting the lottery. Like the mega millions. Picking a second rounder who pans out is almost all luck. I’d go out on a limb and say 75% of 2nd round picks don’t even make the team who drafted them and are out of basketball in five years. I’m not saying Larry has had great drafts by any means, but when people say “look at his draft record” in a bad way, I gotta defend him. Granger may have “fallen in his lap” but he got passed by 16 other teams. So he’s drafted George, Granger and Hibbert. 2, potentially 3 All Stars. Not bad. You can’t hit on them all.

    Not to mention, got rid of JO’s 20 mill a year contract. SIgned D West for relatively cheap. Brought in a starting PG in George Hill, got rid of all the other trouble on the roster. Oh. And won executive of the year. I guess that doesn’t mean anything these days.

  • NexSerenade (Mike)

    Everybody keeps saying their main issue is this guy projected as a second rounder. News flash: that was never the case. According to multiple sources (including Mike Wells, I believe) the T-Wolves had been trying to trade up in the early twenties the entire draft so they could draft Plumlee. So stop all the ‘he would’ve lasted to 36 nonsense’. I did think we should’ve drafted PG3 but I wonder how many people who are super-zealous that we didn’t take him were just looking at the fact he was graded as the 10th best talent in the draft. I thought Plumlee was a n odd pick until I researched the reasoning more, but I could argue that Doron Lamb or Marquis should’ve been higher on the Pacers board than PG3 regardless. People act like these picks are a sure-thing. Kwame Brown, Hasheem Thabeet, Derrick Williams, all players drafted very high woth huge hype and almost all were ‘sure-things’. Hell, I remember there was buzz last year that Bird was trying to trade one/two of our core players to get up to the second pick and get Williams. (Let me just add I think he will actually be pretty good, just not worth what most teams would’ve traded for him)

    We needed a backup Center, and one or two scorers off the bench. We have our backup Center, and everyone hates the pick. We got this Johnson kid who may not even make the team, and everyone loves the pick. We still have free agency to go, I expect Pritchard to go after Brandon Roy for a one-year minimum salary deal, and pursue Chris Kamen, along with someone who can score off the bench. Hopefully we could get a couple of those, chances are we’ll be lucky to get just one. Whatever else we need, trade trade trade. That’s just how it works.

  • Ronal Eugene is Right!!

    Weren’t there any IU players available that we could have drafted?

  • PG24ShootMore

    *ahem* Anyone saying that drafting Perry Jones was such a huge risk needs to look no further than our own Danny Granger. Danny was expected to go early in the draft but his knees were a concern. So he slid all the way to us and we picked up the “allstar” talent because he was the best available. So when Jones slid to us because of his knees, someone who has far more potential than Danny did (whether he’ll capitalize or not is a different story) why the hell would we not take him? Then instead of buying Orlando (who I have no problem with at all. Welcome to the team) we could have bought Plumlee since practically no one was after him at all. Larry screwed up big time in my opinion.

    And also I’d like to give a shout out to Robbie Hummel. I don’t think he’ll see much time, if any, but congrats on getting drafted.

  • Jason S.

    I love the activity on the site; so many people interested in the Pacers. On the pick, you can’t teach someone to be 7 feet tall. A legit big man is always a worthwhile commodity. Even if he does not fit in on the team, a reasonably athletic 6′ 11″ guy has substantial trade value. But we surely could have used Jeff Foster’s energy and rebounding in that Miami series.

    The Pacers have the best supporting cast in the NBA! We just need a superstar, but unfortunately all the ones out there are spoken for. Even Chicago has trouble recruiting top-flight talent, so we are unlikely to get it. I hope we can emulate the Pistons of a few years ago and win a championship with no obvious superstar. So yes the NBA Pacers have a mediocre track record but not for lack of trying!

  • Jason S.

    I agree with NexSerenade (Mike) point about “sure things.” There are no such things in the NBA. Also, the 3 busts he notes are still in the league. Why? Because they are big, can move out of their own way, and have 6 fouls. Miles will have some trade value if nothing else.

  • dwain

    hmmm maybe Nash’s team was lusting after Miles so Larry picked him to trade for Nash….yeah right

    i’m a Pacers fan through and through and i lurv Larry Bird and maybe Miles will be all that an a bag of chips, i will support my team come what may….still hated this pick

  • Sad But Happy After Thinking (Joe B)

    So many “Just look at the stat sheet, Plumlee is a joke” comments. Okay–22 boards in a game, against Maryland, most for any Duke player in over 40 years…and I am pretty sure Duke has played teams worse than Maryland in the past 40 years, with players who can rebound the ball supposedly “better” than Plumlee, so why is this irrelevant? He is a big man with great athleticism who can rebound the ball…or exactly what the Pacers needed.

    My 6 and 8 comment for Plumlee is only overstepping by a rebound, so I will say 6 and 7…23 NBA centers were able to accomplish last year, playing at least 20 minutes, and I don’t see why he could not have the same level of production.

    Trust the Bird

  • gregor t.

    I went back and watched game 4 of the Pacers v Heat in Indy and came away with the same thought i had at the time. When Hibbert and West got into foul trouble in the 3rd, James and Wade immediately began attacking the rim. Lou and THans could not stop them or come up with rebounds. All i was thinking that if the Pacers had a healthy Jeff Foster, he could protect the rim and keep the Heat from getting those offensive rebounds. One good role player could have turned that game into a Pacers win and 3-1 lead, with a good shot at winning the series and making the Finals. I am convinced that is why the Pacers took Plumlee. Could the Pacers have played the draft better? YES! Do i think we could have got Dray Green, Plumlee, and OJohnson anyway, with smart moves? YES! Are the Pacers better today? I still say yes. 7 footers that play defense and rebound, with no history of injury, are rare; and the ones that can hit shots, like Kaman, make 14mil. Pacers cant pay that. There is a reason that Foster played 15 mins off the bench against the Bulls last year and immediately became the most hated man in Chicago. They called him every name in the book. Jeff Foster. One of the best NBA role players ever. Even as they won. Why? Cause he played defense and rebounded, strong. And they complained, cause they are weak. Can Plumlee play that role? Man, i hope so. But that is how the Pacers can win. Strength Not Stars. Defense Not Divas. Men Not Milquetoasters. The Pacers are close.

  • Realist

    Why did so many other teams pass on PJ3 though? Are they as dumb as we are?

  • PG24ShootMore

    Realist
    Why did so many people pass up on Danny Granger? He was flagged for potential injuries so he slid just like PJ3. Granted he didn’t slide as far, but look at the strength of that class as opposed to this one. We seriously missed out on a player with the potential to be amazing. Nobody that’s 6’11 should be that athletic and have the skillset he has. He’s a rare player that we just missed. Granted I just read that the T’Wolves (I think) were gonna trade up and take Plumlee at the 27 spot

  • Realist

    Hey don’t get me wrong, I’m still annoyed we didn’t take Jones.

    But Mike’s right though. I think everyone drasticly overrates the goings on of anything in the 20′s.

    Free agency is what matters to us.

  • PG24ShootMore

    That’s the thing though. Jones is a top 10 talent though. His two drawbacks are his lack of motivation (which can be cured with veteran leadership and coaching aka Vogel, West, Granger) and his knees (it’s the 26th pick and you’re gambling on a potential allstar). Meanwhile he is athletic as hell, is 6’11 (so he could wind up playing 3 positions in the NBA), he has handles, a decent shot, and a long wingspan. I just personally think that a top ten talent must be taken this late in the draft, especially on a team already as strong as the Pacers. So we pass on Plumlee. I bet he’ll be a decent center too. But we could have ended up with an allstar.

    Another example would be would you have taken Michael Kidd-Gilchrest over Anthony Davis because you have solid power forwards and centers and you’re drafting for need? Hell no. And MKG is far more talented than Plumlee.

  • Jason S.

    Gregors nails it. Pacers don’t have a backup center, so they drafted one. A backup center, not a PF playing out of position, would have made a big difference in the Heat this year.

  • Jason S.

    The certainty with which some of you assert your opinions is frustrating. A dose of humility for a business (the trading and what teams will or won’t do) most of you likely have no first-hand knowledge of would be refreshing.
    Our beloved Pacers, sadly, have never drafted a superstar. Their NBA draft history is very hoosier–in the 1st round we get generally good, solid journeyman players that stick in the NBA.Nothing flashy but they are productive. Dale Davis, Antonio Davis, Jeff Foster, Al Harrington, Austin Croshere. Reggie Miller is the only star we have ever drafted.
    And I checked out this Perry Jones; he is not superstar material. First, he can’t rebound and we need rebounding. And why would any team trade for a guy that no one wanted to draft in the first round? The guy went 26th! I think because he is small (A Kevin Garnett body without the skill and drive that makes KG great). What’s more, he did not improve from his freshman to sophomore year. He may be more Olodokandi than anything else.

  • Yngwie

    1. Can’t believe people constantly expecting every draft pick to be a success. If you aren’t picking in the top half of the lottery, it’s a total crap shoot. The difference between the average guy drafted at 10 and 26 is very small because the average 10th pick still doesn’t have a great career.

    Average 10th pick:
    10.2 ppg 4.4 rpg 2.2 apg in 24.6 min

    Average 26th pick:
    6.0 ppg 2.8 rpg 1.3 apg in 15.8 min (only 3 out of 20 26th overall picks have averaged more than 15 (pts + reb + ast) / game in their careers).
    For fun, Jeff Foster: 4.9, 6.9, 0.9

    LOWER YOUR EXPECTATIONS. GETTING A POOR MAN’S FOSTER IS AN ABOVE AVERAGE OUTCOME FOR THE 26TH PICK.

    2. Perry Jones seems not to be a very smart kid. I listened to an interview and basically he threw all his coaches at Baylor under the bus for not using him correctly. Even if he thinks that’s true, you cannot say stuff like that. Complaining about your coach when you KNOW people are paying attention to what you’re saying prior to the draft? That’s like interviewing in a wife-beater. Besides it’s not like PJ produced in college much more than Plumlee so that argument seems moot.

    3. I think the Pacers FO’s opinion is that the team is going to improve organically. All their rotation players are still on an upward career trajectory except West who has been steady and productive. Obviously they were looking to fill a need.

    They could have went with Draymond Green but they have watched more film than me so who am I to second guess. Green has less size as well–I think the FO thinks there’s at least some chance they can coach Plum up like they have done so well with Hibbert.

  • PG24ShootMore

    Jason S.
    Do you understand what the word “potential” is? If you look it up in the dictionary you’ll see a picture of Perry Jones. The guy is 6’11, quick, athletic, has good handles, a decent jumper, a high release, and a great NBA body. While his rebounding was underwhelming in college it was because of his tendency to be passive and for the Baylor coaching staff not to push him. Yes, the truly great players are self motivated. But with veterans on the team such as David West and Danny Granger he would get that push. And he would be great trade bait. The reason he fell so far is because of his “knee problems”. Everyone else knows how much potential the kid has, they’re just afraid of an injury. But at the 26th pick he’s an absolute steal, and if he stays healthy he’ll have great trade value while he’s young.

    Yngwie
    PJ wasn’t criticizing his coach. If you watched all the Baylor’s players interviews they all said the same thing. They had to sacrifice some of what they could do (scoring, rebounding, ballhandling, etc) to please the coaching staff AND so that they could be the best team possible. Quincy Miller said the same thing, that he had to sacrifice his ability to score to help the team.

    But I have thought more and I’m not AS disappointed by the pick of Miles Plumlee as I was before. He really does fit that need. But if PJ3 goes on to have a solid career I’m gonna be angry

    • Dale Snitterman

      Jones III knee is done, and he wont ever be the same. Thats why he fell to the bottom of the first and is averaging 6 minutes a game

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